Jacen Solo’s Sith Name is..Darth Caedus! May 18, 2007
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Thnx to jwash24 who posted as a comment. ShowMeSciFi has now been able to independently verify that indeed Darth Caedus is Jacen Solo’s Sith name.
Jacen’s Sith name was chosen by a contest and follows his long descent into the dark side in the Legacy of the Force series (which is the most awesome Star Wars series in years if not of ALL TIME).
He takes his Sith name in Sacrifice set to come out in just a few weeks, but early copies are all already being leaked by the publisher.
So who does Jacen have to Sacrifice to get his Sith name…i could hardly believe it myself (and if you really want to know just look at the cover of the book and it’s quite obvious)..and i’m actually going to suspend dis-belief if you don’t mind until i get my hands on a copy of Sacrifice on May 29th.
*UPDATE* Got a copy of this on May 28th
Here’s the line you have to wait 367 pages to get too..
“Now was the time for a man who’d once been Jacen Solo to shoulder that responsibility for the galaxy’s sake.
Jacen took off the helmet, looked into his own eyes and didn’t flinch.
“Caedus,” he said. “My name is Darth Caedus.”
man i can’t wait for it to come out. it seems to to me with the death of mara jade that the writers of the series are starting to push Luke to die as well. I think they trying to push the new genaration in the spotlight now. i think that if anyone is going to actually kill jacen, because right now i think think he is beyond redemption. it’s either going to be Ben or leia. Everyone knows if jaina was to fight jacen she would put up a good fight but jacen would ultmiately win. I wouln’dt be surprsied if Anakin Solo came back. Now hear me out i understand about how he surpposdely died during the mission to mryk but i have a feeling that he hadsomehow survived the ordeal. the eigth to last book of Lgeacy of the force is revaltion and one of the authors has stated that a main character will return and that everyone would e surprsied he it would be after all these years. To me it’s pretty obvious it has to be anakin. He would be the most likely to be on jacen level by this time
booya put that in your pipe and smoke it . this goes out to everyone who said no hes dead blah blah blah.also luke is gonna be at least 100 when he dies.
love live anakin solo
Jacen kills Mara Jade
I know who will return in “Revelation”… Chewie!
how would you know where is the evidence
where is the evidence that either of them would come back
the evidence is in this is what fans want. we are talking books and the writers have listened
What this series lacked was Matt Stover. Traitor was good - this twisted, distorted and ruined it.
And for comebacks - Thrawn.
thrawn would be a clone tough. anakin can be brought back to life by jacen
If anyone comes back, it’s going to have to be Anakin Skywalker. I think Jacen’s descent down the dark path will entice his grandfather to try and help bring him back. Jacen seems to be following the same path that Anakin did when he betrayed the Jedi, even though he purposefully has taken strides to make sure he was doing it for different reasons, and that is why he believes he will succeed. If there is one person that can show Jacen the path he’s heading down, it would be Anakin Skywalker
It has to be Skywalker, if Anakin SOLO comes back that will destroy the series.
Unless of course they want to shock everyone and bring back Vergere to see how her former student has used her knowledge and to either congradulate or scorn him.
vergere never died. she faked it. the ghost jacen saw was the same trick lumiya uses. mark my words.
Vergere!
An ancient Jedi from the republic molded by the vong - molded Darth Caedus (Jacen) to the Vong (and maybe the sith)
now that would be awesome and really connect a whole lot of stuff together.
it wouldn’t destory the series. i don’t see the trouble of bring back either anakin or both of them at certain points in the book. First of all i agree with tim nobody would not the consequence you suffer then jacen’s own grandaddy anakin skywalker. anakin will try to talk about how it was wrong for him to choose the path he chose. now if jacen’s brother anakin solo comes back which i think will happen later in the series it would set up a battle that i think would have happened anyway. it would be fiting let’s all face it when anakin supossedly died and jacen got his mind and personality scrwed up by verere and the vong. bascially what i am trying to say anakin is the reason why jacen is the way he is now. because of his brother’s death. that’s why i think it would be fiting for anakin to kill or redeem jacen. if not by himself with the help of his cousin Ben Skywalker
it wouldn’t destory the series. i don’t see the trouble of bring back either anakin or both of them at certain points in the book. First of all i agree with tim nobody would not the consequence you suffer then jacen’s own grandaddy anakin skywalker. anakin will try to talk about how it was wrong for him to choose the path he chose. now if jacen’s brother anakin solo comes back which i think will happen later in the series it would set up a battle that i think would have happened anyway. it would be fiting let’s all face it when anakin supossedly died jacen got his mind and personality scrwed up by verere and the vong. bascially what i am trying to say anakin is the reason why jacen is the way he is now. because of his brother’s death. that’s why i think it would be fiting for anakin to kill or redeem jacen. if not by himself with the help of his cousin Ben Skywalker
Ben Skywalker can’t redeem Jacen, all admiration of him is gone now that Ben discovered that he is Lumiyas apprentice. Not only that but Ben HATES Jacen because unlike Luke Ben is convinced, and correct, that it was Jacen who killed Mara AKA Ben’s mom, and is determined to prove it.
And it seems weird but depending on how you look at it a dead person can be revived after years. At one point in TSW Luke fills his hand with “Life giving force energy” to revive Mara
i have a strong feeling its vergere
i think vergere will re-convert jacen solo back to the light side
does anyone play starwars lethal alliance down here if you do pls tell me how to difuse the mines in the game i will really appreciate it and sry for deviating from the main subject
Its BOBA FETT that comes back.
I read somewhere that boba fett’s wife will return. not surprising, since boba is already in the series. i would really like to see ben apprenticed to his father luke, and possibly see callista return as a possible luke love interest. of course, she never died, only left. sure would be cool to see master from the old republic come back, like mace. just my frame of thinking
Spoiler…..DO NOT READ if you don’t want to know the way Sacrifice end.
He killed Mara.
mace windu never really died. he got pushed out a window.he was injured and placed in stasis.
Oops, I never read that part. thanks for the info… where is mace windu’s story told, after ep3? thanks.
I love the dark tone all these books have taken and they way that it really puts you out of your comfort zone. If you read any pre-NJO books (while MOST are great) you know that none of the important characters are really in any danger… this really changes all that.
I’m sure nothing i am saying is new to anyone but i didn’t notice it posted anywhere here.
No one mentioned either that the inevitable battle that will occur between Darth Caedus and Luke, could it kill luke??? Has anyone mentioned luke dying? i know that is a massive call especially with any furture books that want to be set later down the track post Legacy of the Force but he has to die sooner or later. Better to die by his own nephew then by some throw away dark jedi that has been dragged up somewhere from some obscure long ago book or comic??
anyway when did this post turn into an essay sorry for boreing you but i am at work and have nothing better to do.
Sorry i am back. Where was it written that someone was coming back??? I think everyone here is right in that it will be either Veregre or Anakin Solo (but i think Anakin coming back would be a bit of a Deus Ex Machina ending) Vegere would be much better suited. Anakin skywalker his grandad coming back would be stupid. Wasn’t it mentioned somehwere that Ben could no longer talk to luke because he had long ago became one with the force? If Grandad popped up out of the blue it would be stupid… they have never even met. Myabe its an outside chance but i, for one, wouldn’t like it.
Note on jacen dying:
Also if Jacen is killed it will be 2 kids that Leia and Han have lost and it would be wierd if they did that. Jaina would no longer have her “twin bond i love my brother we are inseperable jedi balls of Awsomeness” which would severely detract from jaina’s character as well as losing Jacen. You would in effect be “killing” 2 charcters by killing of jacen as jaina would be serverly weakened.
Anyway i am excited and cant wait for the next few books
ben couldnt talk to luke because episode 3 wasnt written yet.yoda says immortality.the old jedi will return to help ben skywalker.luke will die of old age just as ackbar did.luke better live for a while longer……….or else
you hear me del ray?
Also did Mara Jades body disappear when she died???
The series is called “Legacy of the Force.” By this, one can assume that the torch in the Star Wars universe will be passed to others, most likely the younger generation of Jedi Knights and other adventurers. I see this series as a transition away from the Trilogy heroes entirely, relegating them to supporting roles and cameos; much like Stackpole’s Xwing series only featued “guest appearances” from Luke, Leia and Han. I see Luke and the senior Jedi becoming more like the Jedi counsole, sending the younger JEdi on missions and being there for advice.
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luke will kill jacen and be the invincible one.he wont be sith he’ll be insane dark jedi.they are more dangerous than sith.that would make anakin solo a good guy by becoming krayt.
back to reading
i have a feeling that luke will redeem jacen than kill him and maybe anakin skywalker’s force ghost will appear
Anakin Solo fans, give it up, he’s not coming back. Fact is the comics pretty much spoiled who the character is that returns.. K’khruk, the Wiphid Jedi master from the clone wars rejoins the new jedi order and is a respected teacher and ally of the skywalkers by the time Legacy rolls around, should happen in the books if its gonna happen at all. Makes sense to me that this will be the character that reappears.
It’s gotta be either vergere or callista who comes back. I don’t want it to be someone we know is dead. Both Anakin Solo and Skywalker had there bodies burned.
And, I think it has to be Jaina that takes out Caedus. The whole sword of the Jedi thing needs to come into play soon.
i don’t think jaina is strong enough to take on someone like jacen
jaina will be wounded and luke or ben will use that to turn jacen back. hopefully jacen lives he is making these books really good. before this is over luke or ben will be dark. for a little while .
I’m hoping Caedus really goes after the Jedi and we finally get to see some other masters battle. I have been waiting to see what Kyp Durron can do for a long time. As of now, all we know is he is great pilot. I really wanna see the two of them fight.
As far as Jaina not being strong enough to beat him. She has been trained for over 25 years compared to Luke being trained for a very short time at an older age. And he did pretty well against a Sith lord.
I think the best part of the book is the re-emergence of Mando as a powerhouse in the galaxy. What is Boba’s intent with Jacen? Will he or one within the family take Jacen out….uhhhmmm? I feel that a book with Han and Boba teaming up to take down Jacen is on the way.
Speaking of Han, what was he doing for this whole book. Leia said he was running errands with Lando. I think they were up to something and it’ll be important in the next book. I’ve never seen a book that has one of the main characters removed from all the story lines.
i hope we dont have to wait for another two books to see fett again. is traviss the only one allowed to write about him? thats the one thing i dont like about this series.that and no jaina, if shes seen as weak its only because people are afraid to make a girl the main focus os a sci fi book. dark journey was in the top 8 njo books. give jaina a chance folks.she is the sword of the jedi and if that means what i think then she will be the greatest warrior of them all. luke included.
i know its blasphemy but cmon she has become lukes most trusted accomplice itr seems.it only makes sense that between mara,luke,anakin solo,jacen, kyp,and leia teaching her along the way she would be the best
Vergere was a Jedi, born and raised. I don’t think there’s any way she and Lumiya would have been connected as part of a plot to turn Jacen to the Sith. It’s just not believable. I know I’ve always suffered from a sort of naive incredulity at these things, but I just know it. And in my favorite book of all time, Traitor by Matthew Stover (it’s in the NJO series for those of you who don’t know off the top of your head), Jacen seems to become a really great guy, like he is becoming a true Jedi, not the other way around. Vergere is helping him realize his own potential and to identify himself, and to come to terms with his brother’s death. No, I don’t think Vergere had anything to do with Lumiya. She loved Jacen dearly, and Lumiya…well, I just don’t think so.
cboath was nuts, not the clone but the one in outbound flight.he was vergeres master or something and that spells sith for vergere. she was a master manipulator just like palpy. she was as cruel as vader and remember she was indirectly responsible for the deaths of millions at the hands of the vong by helping tsavong lah all the time.
i have a feeling that either luke or jiana will cut caedus down to size or maybe even ben as he will be angry with jacen murdering his mother
i think lumiya is just manipulating jacen into thinking that vergere was a sith tied to lumiya after all jacen trusted vergere didn’t he so that would just be a way to turn jacen to the darkside and make him carry on the mantle of dark lord of the sith
read outbound flight. cboath is using the expedition to find vergere secretly.that points to her being sith with the other evidence we have.
I have no doubt that Vergere was training Jacen for this exact thing. She knows that a government like the Empire, or what ever Caedus will turn the GA into would deal with problems like the Vong much easier. And, to have that kind of government to rule the galaxy I think you need a Sith at its head. Cboath was one crazy Jedi, he was as close to thinking like a Sith as a Jedi should get. That’s why Palpatine okayed Outbound Flight, to get rid of him as he was very dangerous.
I can’t wait for the next book. I’m just getting more and more worried about Luke’s fate. It was hard enough reading Mara’s death. Not as hard as Chewie’s, but I knew him much longer.
maybe the guy who comes back will be nom anor i mean the authors have been hinting that he might someday return
Does ‘Caedus’ have an historical meaning.. where did it come from (other than the mind of the author)
Caedus was created by a fan in a contest.
Anakin Skywalker, return? When the entire universe comes to an end! If Leia and Luke can no longer speak to him in the force, even JACEN would be incapable of bringing him back.
As for Mara possibly dying…
Luke.. Leia… Jaina…CUT THAT BRAT DOWN!
I do pray that Ben comes to his senses and decides it’s time to deal with what really matters… and stop another sith lord from trying to repeat history.
While we’re all making people crazy with what if’s and all…….Is the old Kiffar reading the heart stone to Boba Fett, Quinlan Vos? …..he never officially died in any media and he was Kiffar. He’d also probably be in his eighties/nineties……just a thought. hehe
I think Luke will be able to redeem his nephew from the dark side. There is no way Jacen can keep this up. Not the way he is-he was the wimpy one, remember? And even if he does kill Mara, Luke shouldn’t want to kill Jacen over it. Luke is the Grand Master of the Jedi Order. He’ll try to convert Jacen back. Jacen will have to either change back or die.
Oh and caedus, I believe is a Latin word, or closely related to one. It should be the nominative form of a second declension masculine noun. I’ll go look it up.
thanks for reading that definition out of a book treali..
krayt should cut down all the fakes in this galaxy
or is Krayt himself - a fake - as the Darth Bane holocron would argue since Krayt has ignored the rule of two.
krayts a fake sith. hes a crazy dark jedi, like lumiya says of alema.
hes gonna be the good guy sooner or later
I doubt it Who.I can see someone manipulating Krayt from behind the scenes (Jacen ??) but i don’t think that Krayt will turn out to be a good guy anytime soon.
showmescifi : He ignored the rule of the two but it doesn’t mean that he is fake.Some could are that the siths who follow the rule of the two are the fake one considering that the original and first Sith empire had no such thing.
come on krayt can’t be a real sith and jacen can’t be controling him because jacen would want all-out power won’t he
oh by the way can someone who plays starwars lethal alliance pls pls tell me how to beat the mines minigame
I have a few musings to make about this and the state of our beloved ‘Galaxy Far Far Away’. 1. This series go on way to long, believe I have almost every Star Wars Book ever written, NJO that was getting to be a bit much. This new series is headed that way. 2. I know all characters are property of Lucas Arts, but I am getting tired of author A changing or in this case killing author B’s character(s). I hated it when when Salvatore (who I love) killed Chewie, I hate it just as much with Traviss killing off Mara Jade. As a plot point it just seemed forced. I hope Zahn can get a chance to waste one of her characters. 3. This whole series is just one big rehashing of the movies, perhaps Jacen’s Sith Name should have been Darth Ripoff or Darth I am a Complete Moron who failed to listen to my history teacher. But thats just me venting to the Dark Side. 4. As a character Jacen Solo is I think beyond redemption. He may think his reasons are all noble but its self delusion. Its just “Obi-Wan is holding me back, its not fair” sorry wrong Episode I meant ‘Uncle Luke is holding me back, its not fair” 4. As for who gets to whack Jacen, it will probably be a big fight between him and Jaina or Ben, possibly Leia. But my secret hope is Talon Karrde, he’s still around isn’t he. They should trap Jacen with some ysalamiri on portable frames, knock him out, take him to Myrkr, so he’s completely cutoff from the Force, and the wild vorskyrs tear him apart. No Force Ghost to come back later, no grand lightsaber/force battle, just plain dead like the punk he is. Turn the predator into the prey
luke will kill or seriously injure jacen.i can see luke taking his arms off at the shoulders and his legs off above the knees. he knows how much that limited vader and probably wont kill his sisters son
as for krayt he is the skywalker who reunifies the jedi.
nah guys i really think that krayt is Ben. i mean krayt even says he’s used some kinda of ……i dunno freezing device?….to keep his body young. so im guessing its ben and he does it when he’s grown…oh and i think ben will kill luke too.
I highly doubt that Ben will kill Luke. PS Don’t disrespect Traviss, it wasn’t her decision to kill Mara. If you knew anything about the way this writing process works, all three of the authors of this series come together in a room, discuss where they want the series to go, where LucasArts wants the series to go, and then they get Sue Rostonni to tell them exactly what they can or cannot do, in this case, the characters that they can and cannot kill off.
I love Traviss, because she brings everything I love about Star Wars into play. Mandalorians. Lots and lots of freakin’ Mandalorians. That, with bonus Clone Troopers= pure Awesome.
I’m really glad that the whole Boba’s Dying thing is back to normal though, it would have really sucked if the most kickass Bounty Hunter ever died…
His wife IS alive, though. It says at the end of Sacrifice. She’s encased, perfectly, in carbonite, and his granddaughter is going to unfreeze her.
I hate saying this but Luke might have to be killed if they ever want to make alot more books in the future. All I wonder that they make a new hero we can all agree on. Ben will probly learn from the ship things that Jacen couldn’t learn with any teacher and talk to force ghost Anakin Solo why he shouldn’t go dark etc.
anybody know when sacrifice is coming out in singapore i know it came out in the states a few days ago but down here i don’t it has come out yet anyone can elighgten me and by the way jacen solo sucks
Argh! Why does everybody keep insisting that Anakin Solo is going to come back? Either as a ghost, or a clone, or somehow returning from the dead. I am a writer and a Star Wars fan, and the sheer level of cheese that this would put into StarWars would be enough to make me lactose intolerant.. I’d stop reading. Seriously. Anakin is dead… he hasn’t come back for years, he wont and shouldnt come back. Let the living deal with their own problems.
I totally think that thw whole solo children should join the dark side. Even though Anakin solo dies, it would still be cool! and why would they name the child Anikin anyway i mena then you get confused which one it is
caedus means in latin i think means to kill, murder to sacrifice
lucas added the bring people back from death thing. he didnt use it but im sure the books will be allowed. also the author said that revelations will bring back a character thought long dead.
anakin solo is the perfect candidate with jacen being a lunatic now.
anakin just cannot come back he is just long dead and he will never come back
the long dead character coming back should be vergere so that she may step into lumiyas place and continue teaching jacen some of the sith techniques she knows. krayt is Ben skywalker 1 krayt dragons are from tattooine, 2 dude has a blue eye,3 jacen stated that ben will take over for him, 4 the disease krayt has is the coomb spore that nom anor infected mara with. it didnt die, just laid dormant for years. ben even already uses vong armor
As far as who is coming back, why not Callista. She stayed away all this time because Luke was with Mara. It may be time to see if she has found her powers yet.
I would also really like to Talon Karrde come back. He is such an interesting character. It won’t be as fun as Lando getting involved again, but there is definatly a part for him to play.
And, I can’t wait until Jaina finds out Jacen killed Mara. It’s gonna take everything Luke has to keep her from killing Caedus.
Lastly, what books is this Krayt from…comics? I only read the novels so, I don’t know what goes on those storylines.
I think Ben will be the one to deal with Jacen. This is why Jacen has taught Ben the neccessary skills that could be used against Jacen. I think he was training Ben as a failsafe with only certain skills instead of various other dark skills. This way Lumiya would be convinced that Ben wasn’t an adequate apprentice and Ben could be able to kill Jacen. I refer to skills such as being able to withdraw from the force and such.
Just a theory (and not my only one) but I had to throw in my 2 cents.
It could be Callista, she dropped of the face of the Galaxy, and *could* touch the force through the dark side.
I also believe Ben will be the one who turns/kills Caedus. He has been a central character since the first book of the series, on Adumar.
There are 4 books to go in the series … Ben can learn a whole lot in that time.
I kind of hope that Darth Caedus makes it past this series. I don’t want a total extinction of the Jedi again, but I wouldn’t mind seeing how powerfull he can get.
It’s gotta be Luke that kills him in the long run. I have always believed him to be the chosen one over Anakin Skywalker. Could he restore balance to the force for the second time? If not Luke I hope it’s Jaina, there is just no way a 14 year old kills a Sith. As powerful as Ben will be one day, he can’t do it yet.
again another misleading prophecy, the balance spoke of is more in terms of alema evening the balance between good and evil. so the fact that jedi now keep families allows to show that all rules and jedi codes can tinker either side, vergere taught jacen some cool stuff and his 5yr journey taught how to be just like palpetine!
First off, neither Anakin Skywalker nor Luke fulfill the requirements of bringing balance. Anakin was, for the most part, of the dark side, while Luke has dedicated himself to eradicating all traces of the dark side from the galaxy. Jacen, however, blends the light and dark perfectly, at least in terms of the Force as the Jedi see it. While he might excercise control and consolidate power over others, his ends and results are of the light. With the exception of Nelani in “Betrayal,” Jacen hasn’t gone off and murdered anyone (well, Fett’s daughter, but he didn’t do that on purpose). His goals and desires are, unlike all other Sith, “purely selfless.” So Anakin Skywalker is, in effect, the one who brings balance… through his grandson, Jacen Solo.
As for this mystery character which will reappear… in all likelihood, it will be Vergere. The only other name I have seen mentioned that has any merit at all, from a literary and plot-oriented standpoint, is Nom Anor. Vergere has to, at some point, appear to make her own motivations and positions apparent to Jacen. Otherwise, the entire plot will have an open question mark in it forever… and that’s just not good storytelling.
Jaina cannot–repeat, canNOT–take Jacen in a fight, although with the Star Wars universe’s preoccupation with siblings (Luke and Leia, Jacen and Jaina, Ulic and Cay Qel-Droma, just to name a few), I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if she was indeed the one to eventually defeat him, like Obi-Wan besting Anakin Skywalker. If they choose to do it, it’s going to be a case of terribly bad judgment. They have made Jacen far too strong to be stopped by Jaina. Jaina is a proud and strong warrior, easily one of the strongest and most-skilled in the New Jedi Order; but, as we see in Dark Journey, she is prone to the dark side as well, but is unable to control herself as Jacen is. She should not be the one to put Jacen down. Also, I’d like to point out that her harsh treatment of Jacen is immature and squalid, given her own struggles with the dark side in times past.
Personally, I would love to see Kyp Durron in action once again. He, Luke, and Jacen are easily the three strongest members of the New Jedi Order, and to watch the former bad boy of the Jedi go up against the new bad boy would be nothing short of stupendous. As a character, he is languishing; nothing has been done with him since he joined the Jedi Council.
Lastly, and most importantly… NO WAY IN HELL SHOULD THEY BRING ANAKIN SOLO BACK!!! Sorry… but it’s true. Can you say “Deus Ex Machina”? No. No way. His death served a purpose, and to bring him back could well undermine that purpose. First Jason Todd, and now this?!? No! Anakin Solo as a character was often bratty and annoying, but his eventual transformation into a competent and admirable character (In Edge I and II) before his death in Star by Star was perfect tragic poetry. To become strong, solid, and fall in love right before death was, in a word, perfect… except a small fanboy part of me would love to see an Anakin/Tahiri reunion. However, it’s not worth it. Like LSD and bad imitation collectibles, what do we do with Anakin coming back?
JUST SAY NO!
PS- The same goes for Anakin Skywalker. He served his purpose. Let him go.
NO……JACEN ISNT SELFLESS.WHY DOES EVERYONE SAY THAT?HES DOING ALL THIS FOR ALLANNA. HES DARK PLAIN AND SIMPLE. YOU HAVE BEEN TRICKED BY THE WRITERS JUST AS LUMIYA TRICKED JACEN.HES THE MOST SELFISH JEDI EVER. HE ATTACKED THE CHISS IN DARK NEST TO PROTECT ALLANA. HE EVEN SAYS TO HIMSELF AT ONE POINT THAT HE HAS TO DO THIS TO MAKE ALLANAS LIFE SAFE.
FINALLY TO ALL THE ANAKIN SOLO HATERS OUT THERE:WHY ARE YOUR FAVORITE CHARACTERS THE ONLY ONES ALLOWED TO COME BACK?VERGERE,HETT,AZURJAMIN,CMON ANAKIN SOLO WAS THE REINCARNATION OF VADER AS A GOOD GUY.ALL THE FANBOYS NEED TO REALIZE THAT HE WAS SCREWED LIKE BRETT HART WAS.BRING HIM BACK AND YOU’LL ALL BUY THE BOOKS NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY.STOP BEING LIKE”NO ANAKIN DIED HEROICALLY AND EMBRACE THE TRUTH. ANAKIN SOLO COMES BACK AND HE STOPS JACEN.
He’s dead. Get over it.
I agree with A-Nonymous: Anakin Solo is dead, and should stay that way. The idea of the “Legacy of the Force” series, as well as that of the NJO, is to move forward. To move the story forward, to move the characters forward… if Jacen is “dark, plain and simple” then the story’s no different than any of the other “old” Star Wars stories. And this series is nothing if not different. Basically, that means that bringing Anakin Solo back would be a HORRIBLE thing to do!
My friend, you are wrong on nearly every point. Please, in good conscience, give me the chance to prove it:
1.) He’s NOT doing it all for Allana. At several crucial moments, he has even confronted the possibility that he would have to kill Allana. Also, note what Lumiya herself says in her own private thoughts in regards to Jacen: “He is the first Sith Lord motivated not by pure selfishness, but by pure selfLESSness.” That’s not her pretending… it’s her innermost thoughts, which we (the audience) alone are privy to.
2.) His reasoning behind attacking the Chiss in the Dark Nest trilogy was because of his vision that showed a terrible galactic conflict coming to life if he didn’t supercede it. In truthfulness, by bringing about the Chiss-Killik conflict, which involved the Hapan fleet, he was endangering his daughter further.
3.) He’s ABSOLUTELY NOT the most selfish Jedi ever. Kyp got angry with the Empire, so he used the Sun Crusher to destroy an entire solar system; Jaina got mad that Anakin died, so she went all dark and emo on everybody for no good reason; Luke went dark and killed several innocent people juso so he could “understand the dark side.”
4.) Anakin IS DEAD. The writers mentioned bringing someone long THOUGHT dead to the forefront again. But Anakin really IS dead. Jacen saw him die, and all of the other Jedi felt the Force leave him. Also, the Yuuzhan Vong found his corpse while Nom Anor was pursuing Jacen on Myrkr. No way around that, unless they do something gay like cloning him. And, no matter how much you might want to deny it, cloning Anakin Solo would be REALLY gay. Again, I say: Deus Ex Machina, anyone? Besides, they already had that weird Anakin Solo robot in “Betrayal.” Also, Anakin Solo is NOT the “reincarnation of Vader as a good guy.” Compare Anakin Skywalker and Anakin Solo, and you’ll see they’re COMPLETELY different people. Plus… why would Anakin Solo choose not to return to his family, like Jacen did?
5.) The engineers of the NJO and Legacy of the Force have all along said that Jacen is the hero of the piece. Read the interviews at the end of “The Unifying Force.” They talk about sitting down and agreeing on two things: one, that Anakin was going to die; and two: that Jacen was to be the central figure to carry the torch of the NJO into the future. That leads me to believe that, not only is Anakin dead for keeps, but that Jacen will be redeemed (or, perhaps, proven right?).
6.) As for who will be coming back to the forefront, I have another theory: perhaps they are referring to Boba Fett’s wife, who was revealed at the end of “Sacrifice” to be alive in carbonite. But if not, I still say either Vergere or Nom Anor, because they could serve a PURPOSE to the storyline. If it’s Anakin, all he does is pop up like a Deus Ex Machina, fight Jacen, and then they all have a party, and it’s just another stinkin’ clone of stories past. It can’t end that way. That’s too bland and pathetic.
good thing dave the insomniac has NOTHING to do with writing star wars novels
Personal insults aside, the novels of NJO and Legacy of the Force have reached a new level of interesting storytelling. Why? Because they don’t pull the kind of inane crap that so many of the Bantam series books did. Don’t get me wrong; my favorite Star Wars books have always been (and, in all likelihood, always WILL be) the Thrawn Trilogy; but some of the later Bantam books, as well as lots of the comic book storylines, were downright corny. Multiple clones of the Emperor?!? Can we say “reaching for plot”?
The NJO and Legacy of the Force are original and unique in the Star Wars universe… but that would no longer be true if they simply decided, instead of being creative, that they’d just “bring Anakin Solo back.” That’s just… dumb. It’s uninspired, unoriginal, and it SERVES NO PURPOSE. Seriously!
I understand the fanboy urge… I’m a fanboy myself. I did the Carlton Dance when I read Jacen and Tenel Ka hooking up in the Dark Nest Trilogy. I understand that fanboy urge to defy logic. Sometimes, I have the urge to say: “Forget good storytelling! It’d be AWESOME if they brought Grand Admiral Thrawn back to life!” But it WOULDN’T be. As great of a character as he is, bringing him back would only be a Mary Sue/Deus Ex Machina that devalued the storyline.
They will think of an original, inspired way to bring a long-lost character back into the spotlight… which means that the brave, noble Anakin Solo stays brave, noble… and dead.
I notice that, while you aren’t above personal jabs, you weren’t quite able to refute anything that I said. The point, I’m afraid, goes to me.
By the way… what is your fascination with Anakin Solo? Your thoughts on him don’t even make sense. On this forum, you claim he’s going to come back and have a reckoning with his brother, Jacen. But in the one talking about who Darth Krayt is, you claim that Anakin Solo IS Darth Krayt. Mind explaining to me why the writers of Legacy and Legacy of the Force would do something so wildly uninventive as bring Anakin Solo back, only to have him fight his Sith brother… THEN, inexplicably, become Sith himself?
Your ideas confuse me…
you know the authors have made little hints that luke is going to die in the seeries, and i was wondering will ben become the next anakin solo and kill jacen
Ben might kill Jacen Solo. It would be a tragic end, but more or less fitting. I personally hope Jacen somehow makes it through the entire series; his views on the Unifying Force are revolutionary and, quite honestly, fantastic. But if he has to die, Ben is the one set up to do it. Not Luke, not Leia… but here’s a wild idea: what if HAN had to kill him? Had his ship at his mercy, and was forced to fire on–and kill–Darth Caedus? Strange candy for the mind, eh?
I know it will never happen, but I would love for Kyp to come out of his self-imposed depression and show a little bit of that Carida spunk he had in Kevin J. Anderson’s Jedi Academy Trilogy. I’d also love to see Nom Anor come back, in one way or another; he’s the perfect slimy bureaucrat, the guy you love to hate. We need some of that old-school NJO flavor in the LotF mix.
And I think killing Luke would be appropriate, but they won’t do it. Lucas has refused time and again to even broach the topic. They wanted to do it in NJO, but he got mad and threatened to pull the plug on the entire project. He’s too connected to his own universe to really let authors play with it. Luke NEEDS to die… it will spark a wave of changes and new plot lines in the Star Wars Expanded Universe.
i could see han taking yslamari to block the force and jacen tries to kill him.without the force noone can stop han solo.
believe it or not dave we agree on something.
lucas said luke is immortal,i dont know when but he said luke cant die. hes more powerful than yoda. i can see him being very old and just sending jedi out until hes needed.luke must live. other than that good idea with nom anor.he is missed greatly.
I would like to see Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus unify the jedi under the sith mantle in the end, A “Selfless” Sith in the end would be more at one with the force than any Jedi or self absorbed Sith because he would be more powerfull than a Jedi thanks to his knowledge of the darkside of the force and also through his absolution that anyone who needs to be sacrificed to unite everyone will be, and the other side of the coin, being selfless like a jedi, he doesnt want to rule, just to unite and save the galaxy from itself in essence, but in the end, he will probably fall off this path and resort to the same old train of thought that was the downfall of his grandfather and every other sith lord before him. Id like to see him prevail anyway, but it wont happen, for that to happen hed have to kill luke, and i just dont see it happening, thats Lucas’ prize character and he will never kill him off, but heres to hoping hahaha
p.s. even tho i am a fan of jacen/caedus i am not happy with him killing mara jade. Ever since the thrawn trilogy shes been one of my favorites so I VOTE BRING BACK MARA!!!
who says the dark side makes you stronger??
a little green friend of mine said its easier not stronger. i think luke will bring mara back to life afterhe sees a holo of vader saying he can create life. this would halt bens supposed path to the dark side.
luke or ben will tap into the ultimate force power to bring someone back to life.
lucas made this power up but we have not seen it used. ever.
it will be used by either jacen,luke, or ben. maybe even leia since shes lukes twin.
I would be ecstatic if Mara came back; I’m with you, Siniska, she has been one of my very favorite characters for a long time: I literally cried when she died…. It would be very interesting if she was brought back to life, especially if it was by Luke when the task has been pretty much labeled as a dark side act. There would also be a good twist if Jacen brought her back, thereby making Luke indebted to him and make him pressured not to kill him. However, if this did happen, it would make it seem that the authors have no real power to take out a character for good, therefore lessening any measure of suspense…
One thing that I missed though: is one’s body dissapearing into the Force a real last minute choice or is it controlled by other elements. At one point it was aluded to that Jacen knew the real reason why Mara did not meld into the force. What does this mean?
Jacen knew that Mara did not disappear into the force so that her body could be studied and autopsied in the hope that Jacen would somehow be found out.
As for raising others back to life, I am not sure that it was anything more than Darth Sidious trying to ensnare Anakin Skywalker. He himself said that “Plaeguis’ apprentice learned everything from his master, then killed him in his sleep.” If Sidious is indeed Plaeguis’ former apprentice (he is; read the novelization authorized by Lucas), then didn’t he learn “everything”? If he didn’t know how to keep people alive, as he told Vader, then neither did Plaeguis, which makes the whole thing popycock.
Of course, apparently Cade Skywalker can do it (see Legacy comics), so it’s technically possible… but I don’t think they’ll bring back Mara or anyone else with the technique. It just seems too… easy. If someone can be brought back, then there’s no longer any true danger. You never have to fear for a character’s life, or mourn their eternal loss, like we did with Chewbacca after “Vector Prime.” I just don’t see the “resurrection” power being employed in Mara’s case… wouldn’t that change the name of the book from “Sacrifice”?
i really have to agree with dave the insomniac on the anakin solo comine back thing, i mean he is long dead and to all the anakin solo fans who want him to come back. GET OVER HIM, i think either vergere or nom anor should come back and as for caedus i think he would be smashed into crap by luke or jaina solo.
I don’t know if someone else has already said this, but i think that boba fett will be the one to kill jacen/caedus, there will probably be a big showdown between luke and jacen, also ben and jacen, where jacen will be injured and then boba will finish him off.
That would be a huge anti-climax for all of the expectations of an epic battle if Jacen was killed off by a non Force user, especially an ancient one like Boba Fett. I for one, would be quite disatisfied with that. I am expecting however, that someone will have a great battle with Jacen and either end up killing him or redeeming him to the light side. I can’t decide who this will be though. Jaina seems an obvious choice, yet the authors seem to have hardly done anything with her character and are pretty much using her as a minor player… plus the fact that it is implied that Jacen is far superior to her in Force and lightsaber fighting skills. HIs down fall if he did end up fighting her in the end would most likely be his arrogance. Luke also seems likely, but the fact that he finished off the sith last time makes me believe that he will pass on the legacy to another, or else he would pretty much become an imortal element in the series. Han and Leia I could hardly see, mainly because Traviss was asserting that Leia definately would not have the stomach to fight her son on that sort of life or death context. My best guess is that it would be Ben, an idea that seems to me to be supported both by the title of the series and the fact that he has become the closest one to Jacen in the past books.
in exile jacen has a possible vision of leia coming abord the anakin solo to kill him. there may come a point when jacen is about to kill han when he realizes this will bring that future to pass.
Also maybe the ressurection power can only be done by someone incredibly powerful. the skywalker family is the most powerful in history so they can do it but not many if any others can.
i still think that jacen solo can be redeemed after all he has not gone on all out genocide like most sith do as for who i think will be redeeming jacen i have a strong feeling that i will be someone like ben or luke skywalker or maybe even leia u nvr know
Jaina is the Sword of the Jedi… She will kill Jacen.
I agree TOTALLY with Dave the insomniac’s ideas and opinions. It’s refreshing to know that an other person shares the same ideas about jacen and his philosophy and is so outspoken about it. Congrats!
I think it’s possible for Jacen to be redeemed, but that just seems to be a repeat of Anakin Skywalker’s tale. If Jacen is ultimately redeemed, something has to be different; otherwise, we’ve just watched a rerun of episodes 1-3, and I’m honestly not a huge fan of the prequels, lol. The whole point of LotF is to take Star Wars in a new direction. Honestly, I’m not sure how they’re gonna end it… but I like that. I like not being able to predict the ending, for a change…
So here’s another question: what role do you think the Mandalore army is going to play in the upcoming civil war?
I love the fact that I am 100% certain I have no idea where all of this is going to go.
I know a lot of people are pissed because Mara died and they do or dont think some of the family dynamics are being handled right, but I love the ride this is taking me on. Very, VERY exciting reading.
Jacen will not be redeemed, because there is nothing to redeem to! He does what he does for the good of many. If the novels follow through with the comic series, then Jacen will pave the way for the discarding of the rule of two when he finds himself highly outnumbered by the jedi and still respecting the rule of two. The sith have never been obliterated. There is only a handfull of dark jedi who don’t count to carry the sith torch. There has never been a complete eradication of either jedi OR sith in history. There is no one else BUT jacen to carry the sith torch, so until a suitable apprentice has been found, he CANNOT die.
Technically Jacen isn’t even himself, he thinks he is but he’s not. He thinks he’s doing it for “the best of Alana” but killing certain people doesn’t really seem to be helping at all. As for who is going to kill him, Jaina would only kill a corpse, seeing as he is technically dead and Darth Caedus has taken over him. Ben on the other hand would be a better ending because he’d be killing his mother’s murderer. But that’s just what I think. (I’m not sure where this whole thing got left off so yeah)
Jacen is, in a way, manipulating himself. He wanted to make the galaxy safe for Allana and the others but the more people he kills to achieve this goal, the more other planets want to get involved in the war. Akanah was right when she told him that he would become like his grandfather in TJK. But there is a difference. Skywalker did it to keep Padme safe so she would not die. Jacen did it so Allana can live without fear of death.
True, (no debatein or anything) but Skywalker was afraid of death in a way. I mean either way it does lead down to “You will be able to save your loved ones from death”
Isnt that what palpatine said? >.> or atleast something similar?
I think Jaina should be the one to kill Jacen. If Ben does it to avenge his mothers death, it becomes vengence and not justice. (although there would also be justice) If it is Ben that kills Jacen, I think that will pave the way for him to become Krayt
Yeah…I’d kinda like Jaina to kill him, but then that’d be kinda cruel to her…being his twin and all, it’ll make her really sad
But it’d have a nice ending 
Then again Ben would be ok for that too…but hed be blinded, and well as soon as jacen dies, there comes another sith :\ But I guess Jaina could bring him back…being who she is
okay first:DARTH KRAYT IS ASHARAD HETT. ITS NOT BEN.
jacen is doing it for the same reason as anakin did it.
jaina should strip him of the force because no battle with jacen should be all lightsaber.plus if he is stripped instead of killed there are new stories to be told. jacen redeeming himself and regaining his powers, or he could become sith again and then be killed. hes too strong to be killed quickly. he deserves to be like qel droma and live on to train more jedi or sith. maybe he can even help krayt somehow by teaching him things that some consider to be unnatural.
anyone who thinks jacen is doing it for a different reason is as blind as jacen is.
[...] opposed to Sacrifice which we all knew would be the story in which Jacen Solo takes his Sith name - Inferno has no such penultimate highlight…though there is alot of ground to cover and it [...]
Wow…how long have I been gone from this conversation???? Just asking….
Sorry this is a reply to a post up several in all caps-Yes I agree with you. Jacen is not selfless. He IS doing it all for Allana. The books say as much if not straight out.
Um by the way, what is this conversation actually going to actually do??? Or you know, accomplish???
Hey, while we’re talking about useless questions (see questions above) why don’t you check out my blog? There should be like a link to it somewhere in my post. It’s got like a lot of my writing on it.
Sorry I’m using the l-word way too much. Um anyways, to get back on topic-is anyone even reading this conversation anymore? The post before this one was almost a month ago?? Just saying. Nothing personal and NO offense intended regardless of what you think. Um yeah.
Anyway, waiting for next book…
Well I do kinda think its gonna be Anakin coming back. On purpose who knows but I think Jacen or Thalia will be the reason he comes back. Maybe Thalia force warps back in time like Jacen has been doing with her recently and warn Anakin about what is to be his fate? Meh who knows. I almost stoped reading after they killed Anakin off. Would love to see him come back. He may even just come back with the help of the force to try and turn Jacen back to the light.
who in the hell is thalia? a mexican singer from fanta commercials. also anyone who types sections for wookiepedia is part of the problem. read death star folks. its a little slow but a good book.
FRAK WOOKIEPEDIA
Yeah that’s true what Darth Who said. Maybe JAcen should go through some memory wipe or something xD something goes wrong in his facility and then he gets lack of oxygen or something…and then slowly he gets all of his memories back and then he picks what he wants to do…
I don’t have a clue why people like Jacen. He is a terrible character. He is no way similar to Anakin. Anakin Skywalker went to dark side to save his wife simple as that. Unfortunately, he was the cause of it by believing she betrayed him to Obi-wan. He was fooled by Sidious.
Jacen did turn bad to save anyone. He seeked out the death of a loved one. Anakin did not seek out the death of any of his loved ones. He wanted to get them to rule with him.
Luke won’t be killed. He is too powerful and the main character after Anakin. If you don’t like Luke than don’t like Star Wars. Luke won’t die by anyone’s hands. The death of Mara Jade was stupid. I would be mad if I were Timothy Zahn.
Jacen is a wimp. I hope Anakin Skywalker helps Luke or Ben in his destruction.
No…I use to like Jacen back in the YJK series….there he was a really great character. But thease NJO and LotF series they killed him! Hes not the little animal loving guy i use to know
Well, I’d like to see Anakin Solo come back. He was my most favorite guy
But anyways….They should make a book where Allana’s like 12 or something and tells Jacen off. I’d like to see his face at that! >:]
LONG LIVE THE DARK SIDE!
I want Ben to kill jacen out of rage, vengence, but mostly out of hatred. This would Create a new sith and kill Ben int he procces. It would make luke hold back against him so that ben could kill him easily.
BTW as for the guy who come sback…it should be nither anakin solo, skywalker, nom anor, chewie, or anyone else suggested.
IT SHOULD BE DARTH VADER he never really died, anakin did on the death star, what became of him? was he expelled from his body after anakin took over and threw papa palpatine into the reactor? and then becom and evil spirit liek exar kun was? Vader could school everone in the NJO b/c he schooled luke at cloud city. he only lost to luke on the death star b/c he was trying to keep him alive to turn to the darkside plus he had internal battles against anakin at the same time.
BTW krayt is a disgrace to the sith, he didnt follow the rule of two. the darkside is doomed to destroy itself if it doesnt follow it.
As Grand Admiril Thrawn said “all men want power, and the more they have the more they want”, which woudl mean jacen’s followers and krayt’s will kill eachother. the only flaw witht he rule of two is the fact that one of two can be redeemed (like anakin).
I hope all of the jedi die.
LONG LIVE THE DARK SIDE, LONG LIVE THE SITH!!!
hmm im guessing everyone hasnt read infrno where mara jades body became one with the force after jacen solo showed up to the funeral
To Evil Never Dies:
Though you do have a point, Krayt was NOT a disgrace to sith. Just because he didn’t take up an apprentice, doesn’t mean he’s a disgrace. Yes, they would kill eachother off, but then there would have to be one left, wouldn’t there? Maybe he was just waiting for that to happen. Look at Malak. He didn’t have an offical apprentice. He just took all the ones that Revan had converted and kept training them. If Revan hadn’t come back, Malak would have conquered the whole galaxy even without following the rule of two.
[...] this series from beginning till end was about Jacen Solo - his decent into the dark side, becoming Darth Caedus, becoming the Chief of State, taking out his rival Admiral Niathal, killing his Aunt Mara Jade, and [...]
I think Jacen is going to return to the light side and sacrifice himself to save someone he loves.