Star Wars Legacy - Is Darth Krayt a Jacen Solo descendant? March 29, 2007
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Star Wars Legacy which has often been reviewed here on ShowMeScifi is one of the best comic books today and likely the best Star Wars comic book series ever created.
Set far beyond any other Star Wars series -the only lineage connection we’ve had so far is Cade Skywalker - a descendant of Luke.
But what about other Star Wars family trees? Dark Horse Editor Randy Stradley recently tackled that topic in a letter to the editor q&a.
1. Are we going to learn what happened to the Solo family of this time?
There are no plans for an exploration of the Solo lineage for the forseeable future. We’re not in denial about them, it’s just that there isn’t a place for them in the story. Yet.
2. Any chance of running into any other descendents of of any other Star Wars Characters?
Oh yes my friend. Oh, yes.
4. How long are we going to have to wait until we learn who Darth Krayt is under the mask?
The answer will be revealed in issue 15.
Jacen Solo is set to become a to be named Sith in the upcoming Star Wars Legacy of the Force Sacrifice book .
My guess is that Darth Krayt is a descendant of Jacen Solo.
Anyone want to take that bet?
I don’t think so. In Legacy issue 1 Darth Krayt says he knew the knights of the old republic or something to that matter.
he could have learned of the old republic through the Sith Holocrons that we’ve seen him use on Korriban.
though admittedly Darth Bane did not like Krayt since he abandoned the rule of two.
How about the obvious: Darth Krayt IS Jacen Solo. Would explain why he gets rid of the rule of two.
That’s an interesting possibility - he’d be over 100 years old but hey the Sith have their ways..
Maybe, but if so, why is his Sith name up for vote, instead of being Darth Krayt?
The writers of the Legacy of the Force book series mentioned the return of a well known character we wouldn’t expect. Maybe that ties into Krayt’s past.
This is a time of paradox to all of these. This is worth a great deal of money. How much?
Darth Krayt is not Jacen Solo. His Sith name will be revealed in “Sacrifice” of the Legacy of the Force series. His name will be one of the ones that fans came up with as part of the contest over on starwars.com.
I propose that Darth Krayt is Ben Skywalker. Krayt has one blue eye which is a clue to his heritage. Also, in the Legacy of the Force novel “Tempest” Ben spars with his father at the Jedi Temple, but before he does he removes his sparring armor which is said to be a variant of Vong armor. And lastly, his name is a clue as well. Ben is named after Ben Kenobi who lived on Tatooine for a time while watching over Luke. And where are Krayt dragons from? Tatooine…
Nuff said…
Also, I think that in the penultimate battle of the Legacy of the Force series, Luke and Jacen will fight to the death. Luke may end up killing his nephew and further alienating his son Ben who was Jacen’s apprentice. As Ben and Luke’s relationship is already strained throughout the course of these books, this could be the fuel that lights and fire in Ben and causes him to embrace the Dark Side. Ben will then take the name Krayt and finish what Jacen started.
Wow Sly - good ideas. Definitely agree with you that Jacen Solo himself isn’t Krayt - I’m also not so sure it’s Ben Skywalker either.
I do however stick with my original theory that that it is a descendant of Jacen Solo..given that Legacy takes place ‘many years’ after Legacy of the Force, Krayt is likely neither Jacen nor Ben.
Given Lucas Licensing’s deep need for canon continuity and the fact that they haven’t yet authorized the series beyond Legacy of the Force (for Del Ray at least) it’s hard for me to believe that they would allow Dark Horse to re-use either Jacen or Ben.
oh and sly - great call on the Krayt dragons/tatooine and the Vong armor.
no question all that stuff will play a role once we finally do discover who Krayt is.
The Legacy Of The Force series is the best I’ve read in a while. Love the new dynamics at play, with Jacen at the head of the secret police.
Krayt is not a descendant of Jacen. It has been established clearly that Krayt IS over 100 years old. It is stated that he was alive during the Yuuzhan Vong invasion.
“Nearly 100 years ago the Yuuzhan Vong invaded, plunging the halaxy into deep chaos - bleeding and weakining it. Patient in the Force, I waited, as the galaxy grew darker. I watched as the invaders, finally defeated, were allowed to live in exile…that too served my purpose.”
“I know the Jedi from old.”
All from page 1 of issue 1.
“I cannot go back into stasis. I am Emporer now and must be seen - and seen as strong.”
From last page of issue 1.
These both clearly establish a) That he is alive during the Vong invasion and b) how he has prolonged his life.. some sort of stasis.
I doubt that Krayt is an entirely new character, at least I would be disappointed if he were. Jacen is a good possibility, but I doubt that it will be him or Ben simply because revealing information like that in issue #15 would effectively ruin the story of LEGACY OF THE FORCE in 40 ABY, as we would know how it ends. So I dont think that they will go there.. but I wish they would, Krayt as a Skywalker is ideal in my book.
Could be some other character… perhaps a Yuuzhan Vong himself who learned to touch the force… somebody like Nom Anor etc who had a lot of dealing with the Jedi.
It should be somebody we wont expect… so likely somebody we believe to be dead.
His blue eye looks like a cybernetic eye to me… look at the patterns on it.
That is likely a hint. Any one eyed jedi or force users back in the day? Somebody who had a run in with the Vong… how about Ganner? Very possible he didn’t die.. hard to confirm.
We could also reach even further back and get even more out there in our theories.. for example, do we KNOW that Mace Windu is dead… nobody saw a body. And I would argue that in his last few minutes he was straying pretty close to the dark side there.
The connection of the name Krayt implies a connection to Tatooine… at least having been there. What is somehow.. Anakin Skywalker wasnt dead… or had been cloned?
Wana go way the hell back there? Nobody ever clarified what happened to Revan. I know it was 4000 years ago, but who knows what that stasis crap is capable of. And as for choosing a new Sith name.. well, his memories were gone and he was effectively a new person.. a new name would seem necessary. And he did kill a Krayt Dragon.
hmm we also don’t know what happened to Darth Bane for sure do we?
thanks for the comments you’re right on with the stasis stuff.
nix the Darth Bane comment - no way it’s him since we see Bane (in a sith holocron) condemn Krayt at one point.
how about the human rised by the sand people Amed who was bought to the jedi temple by KI Adi Mundo. Or could it by Anikin Solos Girlfriend Tahiri Veila as she is part Vong.
What about Daye Azur-Jamin? He was captured during the war against the Vong and seduced to the dark side by a female force-sensitive Yuuzhan Vong. He also has one eye however at the end of the war he was redeemed and rescued by Mara Jade, Jan Ors, Jaden Korr and a team of Jedi and Alpha Blue agents.(By the way this is all in the Dark Forces Saga)
I also think he could be Anakin Solo and that the body that Jaina rescued and his family gave a proper funeral to was actually a clone and that he was instead captured by the Vong and they tried to use him for finding dark siders such as the sith which would mean he proabbly went to Korriban, which is where they say he started his new sith order
Now your proabbly thinking that that is a bad theory but the Vong are very supersticious. Just look at how they viewed Jacen and Jaina since they were twins. There is no doubt that they knew about Anakin Skywalker and how he became Darth Vader and maybe since Anakin Solo is named Anakin they could have thought he was some how going to be a dark sider or had a connection or something wierd like that, that would make the Vong or at least some renegade Vong choose to keep him alive and use him to discover dark-siders or dark side secrets and that eventually he escaped and was changed by his expierences enough to use the dark-side to prevent another awful war.
its ankin solo or palpatine.it makes sense with the krayt as he knew of tatooines importance.also the armor is from a vong cloning tank,when anakin died a piece of palpy got free and became real again only mixed with voxxyn.the year is right.
Ya, but I’m just hoping that if it is Anakin Solo then its not a clone. The theory on him being a Vong sounds pretty good to. Nom Anor invented those masks that make the wearer have the skin of a different species. Krayt could be wearing one of those. Also I kinda think that the Vong will have the force return to them sometime because they settled on Zonama Sekot, who could eventually come to return them the force but I doubt it will happen right after the war which is the same year Krayt is said to have started his order.
I doubt it is Palpatine because Krayt doesn’t seem as evil as Palpatine was. Krayt seems to want everything to be orderly and peaceful which is why I think that he and Jacen Solo seem so alike. Maybe Lumiya and him are trying to turn Jacen because he stands a better chance of unifying the galaxy and he has the lineage to since he is Vader’s grandson but he eventually is redeemed and/or dies. Lumiya would eventually die to and so Krayt would be forced to rethink his plans and have to take more time and be more patient.
Coule Darth Krayt be a clone of Anikin Skywalker. From Boundflight all people who broaded the flight had a DNA sample taken. As we know Jonus K’baoth had a clone why not Anikin or evan Obi-wan
Good point it would not surprise me if they put in something we had no idea about or we completely overlooked. The thing is any of those old characters would not really want to do things that Krayt is apparently doing. If there clones I think it would be a situation similiar to Palpatine where he had to keep making clones of himself to survive. Also I would guess that those clones would be under the control of someone else, someone like a powerful force-sensitive.
Hmmm… the clone thought ocured to me, its possible. But now that you bring it up, Daye Azur-Jamin is probably my first choice!
Consider it.. one eye (Krayt has a clear cybernetic eye, so did Daye), he has a Jedi connection (was learning the Jedi arts at the height of the Empire at the same time that Luke was), he has the Yuuzhan Vong connection, and he has a history with the dark side.
Daddy like.. I think we have a winner.
Ya also the fact that he was held by a force-sensitive Vong who was trained by a dark-sider who many believe is Lumiya. Though I do admit the theory about Revan is good. Maybe Krayt is someone who came into contact with Revan and believed that Revan had the right idea about a Sith Empire being created to protect the galaxy against the True Sith. That would explain why the Empire is not like Palpatine’s Empire and also why the sith are different as well.
Ya know what would be interesting… since Darth Krayt is a Dark Horse creation that has been stated to be an existing character or have an existing background.. what IF… and this is a stretch. Zayne Carrick? Another Dark Horse creation. It had been said that he will destroy the Jedi Order yada yada.. but they never said when.
Personally I doubt it, I think that Daye fits better, but its an idea.
Mabey Darth Krayt is Jacen Solo’s Apperentice and Later DK killed off Jacen Solo
Because of the Jacen Solo/sith contest maybe he later changes his sith name to Darth Krayt.
Or maybe jacen Solo is actually the true emperor of the sith order. But he rules from the shadows and Darth Krayt is his own little puppet. While Jacen Learns more about the force. And Helps DK in the Background
And is Roan Fel Maybe related to Jania Solo I mean his daughter looks like Jania. Maybe she and Jagged Finally got married in the Legacy of the Force book Series, and had Roan Fel. He also has power in the force
forgive but could anyone tell me which books the force sentive vong was in i semed to has miss those books. thank you
the force sensitive vong is in the dark forces saga which is like online aritcles for the star wars RPG stuff but ya the idea of him being Zayne is good i would not be surprised at all if DK is Zayne
I also think that Zekk will die or maybe become a dark sider with Jacen Solo later in LFL. He will proabbly die and Jaina and Jag will get married and something will happen with the Empire being involved in the Second Correllian Insurrection and Jag and Jaina will come to power and use the Emperor and Empress system to rule the Empire, however I they will be good rulers and nothing like Palpatine or any of his advisors.
maybe krayt is another person we havent thought of. perhaps a son of lukes with callista? it could also be a clone of luke who was made from some of the blood luke has left all overe the galaxy.probably not luke but wouldnt it be cool to see a luke who is a take charge gitrdun kind of leader.
I think that Darth Krayt is probably Ben Skywalker like said above because in Exile, Lumiya tested him to see if he could be a Sith and he passed. Also Jacen had intrest in him being a sith lord. My first choice is Ben Skywalker. Another posibility could be a brother to Kol Skywalker or a Brother to Kol Skywalker’s father????? Because it has not been revealed about the roughly 2 generations after Ben until Kol.
AAAh george - but did Ben actually pass the test on Ziost?
Lumiya tested him sure ..but remember he didn’t kill the girl and thus he’s not really Sith material ..at least not in Exile.
A brother of Kol could be cool…or maybe even Kol’s father?
im pretty sure Krayt is going to have taken the title of Dark Lord in 30 ABY or earlier because thats when they said he started his new sith order. Im pretty sure he fought in the Vong war as well. Ben was only a baby in 30 ABY and i doubt its a clone of Luke or Kol’s brother. Also clones have those short life spans and DK has lived a very long time so I doubt he is a clone. He seems way to powerful to be a clone. However in Bloodlines Boba Fett is dying and he needs to find a clone that is over 100 years old. This clone though is said to be an ARC who fought at Geonisis so I doubt he is DK. The technology he would of used as well to extend his life span probably only works on Jango Fett clones.
showmescifi i have a problem with your theory that would be stupid if krayt was kol’;s father then they would just be repeating the whole darth vadar and luke things and just because jacen didn’t prove to be sith material then doesn’t mean he wont i firmly beleive that jacen solo is or is the master of what we know is darth krayt
Consider the timeline, he can’t be Kol’s father or sibling or any such thing. He was rebuilding his Sith Order as of 30ABY. IF he is not Jacen, then he is somebody who is at LEAST Jacen’s age.. that rules out Ben (this is somebody who fought in the Vong War). Consider that he fought the Vong, is starting the Sith Order at roughly the time of the LOTF book series, and the key.. THE CYBERNETIC EYE as well as THE YUUZHAN VONG CONNECTION. Those are too unique and specific to be random details.
It’s Daye. Gotta be. Captured by Vong, fought them in the war, turned to the dark side at one point, same age as Luke with as much experience with the Empire, Jedi, and Yuuzhan Vong as anybody of that generation.
Gotta be.
Either that or they are making redundant characters… which is just bad writing, and I like to give them more credit than that.
kols dad wasnt born in 30aby…why wouldnt a kaminoan be able to do it for others?mandolorians are human.has jacen been to koriban?
i really dont know.THRAWN perfected cloning technology by using the salamanders from mykyr. that could explain old clones too. this is star wars and clones are a major part of it.
if not a clone then maybe its brakiss (hope not).. maybe its one of the failures luke had early on.. i dont know names .not dolph though hes dead as grievous.i still think it could be an unknown son of luke and callista.
Daye Azur-Jamin… by turning to the dark side.. IS one of the failures that Luke had early on.
I say no chance that it is an unknown child of Callista, because the publishers are essentially trying to ignore that Callista ever existed. She was an embarassing storyline from a time when StarWars writers didnt coordinate what they were writing. The writer that invented Callista (Barbara Hambly) intended for Luke and Callista to live happily ever after etc… but her story was lame and nobody bought it. Besides which, Luke and Callista were only together for a few months, and since StarWars is first and foremost a morality tale directed at children and young adults, I doubt that they will say that Luke (the ultimate poster boy for being a good lil farm boy) had premarital sex or conceived a child out of wedlock.
My HOPE (although now that I see how well that Daye-Azur Jamin fits I doubt that they will go this way), is that the ‘Darth Who’ contest to name Jacen is just a bluff, that he IS Darth Krayt. Darth Krayt being a skywalker is the best for me in keeping with the Legacy Theme.. but I doubt that they will go there as 1) They are saying pretty strongly that Jacen is NOT krayt. B) Daye Azur-Jamin fits the profile perfectly and C) If Jacen was Krayt, it takes away any suspense that Jacen may die in his new stories, and since we will be finding out who Krayt is in the next couple of issues, I doubt it.
=(
On the other hand… keep an eye out for Jedi who lose an eye and have a Vong connection. So far just Daye (its even the same eye).
i bet another thrawn clone(who cares if its a clone he’s the best written character and should have been in ep 3)took a sample of luke and crossed it with vaders dna to make krayt in case he was at some point needed. maybe by crossing the two of them he hoped to keep krayt from going crazy like anakin.it was done in a ong cloning facility because their cloning tech surpasses the kaminoan tech.maybe a kaminoan helped thrawn. when krayt came out he killed evryone in the lab and went aboutfinding sith accolytes.this is crazy but it would be awesome.
Thanks everyone for saying how much of a good choice Daye is. I do not think Krayt is a clone. He seems to powerful and also his quotes sound like someone who is not a clone. I know that kinda sounds wierd. Other good choices for him I would say are Quilan Vos, a person who met Revan some time and realized he needed to make the galxy strong still because Revan had failed in trying to destroy the True Sith, Revan himself, or Daye.
Or what if Krayt is someone who was a familiar with the Vong like Verrege. DK could of been a Jedi padawan on a mission in the outer rim who was captured by the Vong. He probably did what Vererege did and acted like he was on their side and also proabbly went with Vong scouts and played close attention to events going on in the galaxy. Then some time during the Vong war he went renegade from them and maybe he was their when Vererge and Lumiya met and they came up with there plot of breaking Jacen Solo. When that failed and they both died(yes I am guessing they both die and the end of LFL) Krayt came in and used the Sith Order he Vererge and Lumiya had built to bring order to the galaxy.
you people are all upsest with gaye sci fi shit screw all of you?
@EMo
OMG!!!! The solitary braincell does not need a companion to talk on the internet……time for more research methinks.
FYI It’s “gay”…..not “gaye”. We have to assume you’re not only someone with no imagination to think up your own insults, but someone who uses old insults without knowing the context of the insult itself…..add to that…..you can’t even spell it right.
I don’t see any same sex stuff here, I don’t see any comic or novel being attracted to another of it’s own sex….come to that, I wasn’t aware comics or novels HAD sexes….or emotions and feelings, I guess EMo knows different.
Damn, that WAS funny, we need more zoomers like EMo to laugh at.
do you think jacen kills luke and then uses the force to bring him back?maybe that will be his sith weakness…….the most powerful jedi ever………….LUKE SLYWALKER.in legacy1 its not surprise that cade can do it but rather shock at the dark way he does it
I’m pretty sure Luke won’t die at the end of LFL. People point out the fact that his force ghost in Legacy looks about how old Luke would be in LFL and since force ghosts appear as how old the person was when they died it is assumed that Luke will be dying pretty soon. However I think that Luke will survive but others in his family will die during LFL. That is a cool theory about Jacen bringing Luke back, I would not be surpised at all if that really did happen. Jacen used to be and most likely is still attuned to the living force even as he becomes a Sith Lord
This blog gave me an idea for a blog.
http://dirkgently.wordpress.com/2007/04/21/who-is-going-to-kill-luke-skywalker/
I think its time for Luke to die.. he fulfilled his destiny, let the guy rest. He has saved the galaxy how many freakin times? The Jedi Order is restored.. pass the torch already.
Personally I think he should have died during the Yuuzhan Vong invasion rather than Anakin Solo.
..but then again, if Anakin Solo had a different first name he wouldn’t have been killed off.
LOL that is true about Anakin. I do admit that I think Luke dies pretty soon. Also it would be cool to know that Anakin still lives.
I think whomever Darth Krayt is has to do with Why Cade is Seeing Lukes Spirit as opposed to say Kol or Anakin… Or Ben…
ya the creaters of Legacy say that they are doing that on purpose that Cade isn’t seeing Kol’s force ghost on purpose
i think ben created life through the force by accident when he felt anakin die.he was a baby so he had no control over his actions. it could be he brought anakin back (not a clone but anakin himself)and when noone came for him he felt betrayed by his fellow jedi and started a new sith order. this could explain krayts nameand why the old sith hate him.no skywalker would be welcome after vader and lukes actions.
Except that Anakin has almost nothing to do with Tatooine… After thinking things over I think that it might be Zekk… although he has almost nothing to do with Tatooine either… Maybe one of the fat lady’s kids from Tales from Jabbas Palace? I mean they got their way out from that dead Krayt dragon…
My personal theory is that Darth Krayt is none other than Anakin Solo himself.It is far fetched and i’m not convinced myself but from everything i have gathered so far it seems to indicate that he’s a good candidate.Let me explain :
- Darth Krayt identity will be revealed in “Sacrifice”.How did Anakin died exactly ? That’s right , he sacrificed himself for the sake of the galaxy and to protect the ones he loved.That’s a possible connection between the title of the comic/Anakin’s past/Darth Krayt’s identity.
- Krayt is said the be 100 + years old.The whole Legacy era starts in 130 ABY so by going by the theory that Krayt is AS it would make him 103 years old considering that Anakin died in 27 ABY.But Anakin was born in 10 ABY so that would make Krayt 120 yrs old and not 103 you say ? Yes but Anakin’s birthdate is non significant here , only his death is and i will elaborate on this further down below.
- Anakin Solo/Krayt Dragon/Tatooine connection : AS and Tahiri defeated a Krayt dragon on Tatooine.Also , Tahiri homeworld was Tatooine.The significance of “Darth Krayt” may be linked to this since Anakin was very close to Tahiri
- Anakin has blue eyes. Krayt has one blue eye thus possibly indicating a Solo/Skywalker connection.
- Krayt was said to be born in a galaxy deeply wounded by the galactic civil war and the Yuuzhan Vong War.Anakin was born in 10 ABY (galactic civil war) and died in 27 ABY ( Yuuzhan Vong War).
- “The writers of the Legacy of the Force book series mentioned the return of a well known character we wouldn’t expect.” .
Well that certainly wouldn’t be expected and i think that the people who mentionned that Krayt is someone we thought was dead are correct (IE: Anakin)
- What i think happened : My theory is that Anakin did not really die at the cloning facility at Myrkr.I think that just before he was about to pass out he realized that he didn’t want to die (most likely because of Tahiri) so he used the dark side of the force to transfer his spirit into either a clone or a Vonduun crab armor and survived that way .However this caused him to go mad as he was consummed by the dark side and thus Anakin ceased to exist and Darth Krayt was born.Much like what happened to his grandfather Anakin Skywalker when he embraced the dark side and transformed into Darth Vader.Now this is not very detailed and it doesn’t explain everything (like how Krayt ended up on Korriban and a bunch of other stuff) but this is just to give you a big picture on why i think Anakin Solo and Darth Krayt may be the same person
P.S : Sorry if my english is not perfect but it’s not my first language so ;).
Thats actually a pretty convincing argument… I’m not certain that the details of what happened are correct but everything else seems reasonable…
Could the name Kryat be a reference to this Sith’s future rather than past? Sidious apparently paused to listen to the Force before giving Vader his Sith name, so by that….the name is not chosen by an individual, unless Sidious was an exception.
In the Rule of Two for the sith I’m almost positive the master always names the apprentice. Columbo I agree with your theory of Anakin being DK but Daye Azur-Jamin also shares many similarities with DK. He has a cybernetic eye which DK may or may not have and was also turned to the dark side by a force sensitive female Vong which may be why Krayt has many similarities with the Vong such as wearing the crab armor of Vong warriors and besides being addressed as Dark Lord of the Sith he is addressed as Dread Lord which is what the Supreme Overlords’ are addressed by. But I do very much think that Krayt can be Anakin. Here is the thing if he is Anakin I made up a theory for why everyone felt him vanish in the force.
1) When Jacen was captured by the Vong and stripped of the force everyone that was close to him in his life felt as if he had died (This was in Dark Journey). Anakin was swarmed by Vong warriors right before his death, maybe one had the thing that Vererge used to strip Jacen of the force and used it on him so everyone felt him die. But wait as he was “dying” he was becoming one with the force which is why he was able to kill so many warriors. Maybe the thing, the slave seed implant device I think its called would even work as Anakin was becoming a being of the force. Noboby would suspect this and so it appeared Anakin died but his passed out body was taken to some safe place deep in the worldship.
2) Now what about the body they gave the funeral to. This body I am guessing could be some sort of super fast grown clone that they made just in case the Jedi wanted to take his body back. (The cloning proccess was done so fast because they knew the clone would come out dead which is just what they wanted)
3) The real Anakin would be kept to be used by the Vong or some renegade Vong who wished to use Anakin for experiments. Quit possibly the force-sensitive female Vong that turned Daye. She could of molded Anakin’s ways of thinking thus causing Anakin to go through a rebirth and him believing that if his brother and sister joined him in his ways of thinking and becoming sith they could unify the glaxy like never before and truly bring order and eliminate any threat and allow for peace. He would eventually make contact with Lumiya and everything happening to Jacen would be his doing.
Kind of a long shot but I would not be suprised at all if something like that happened. I am pretty sure if Anakin is DK then it is not because he has gone crazy from the dark side but because he feels it is best for the galaxy. DK and Jacen both are doing what there doing because they are selfless and not selfish.
does anyone know when the graphic novels o star wars legacy will be avilable over here in england{sussex} as most retailers have no idea
where else can i go to talk about this stuff and more about the books?i need a site or ten.
anakin solo was my first guess and i hope its right because he was gonna be the new luke.the only sticking point is how tall krayt is. anakin was smaller and probably the template for the slayers in unifying force.
what if the vong cloned jacen solo?noone has thought of that have you?it would be intersting ,the eyes are the only thing there.
darth who - why go anywhere else? convo is solid here so far.
I would be killer crazy if Anakin was Krayt. Somehow though i suspect that Lucas LIcensing won’t allow that though as it would cause trouble for the Del Ray people who are trying to build Jacen into a Sith.
I mean come on.. how could both Anakin and Jacen end up as Sith? -.. well the clone thing sure…
Personally i’m hoping that it’s Ganner.
He was cut down to soon.
He was essentially left to die.
If anyone has good reason to hate the Jedi it would be him.
Here are a few other pros and cons on why i think Krayt may (or may not) be AS.The pros are more far fetched though and that’s why i didn’t included my other post.
The pros :
- The orange and blue eye may represent the duality existing within Krayt.The orange eye representing Darth Krayt and the blue eye representing Anakin and his Solo/Skywalker heritage.
- The stasis Krayt keep talking about may be a reference to Anakin’s spirit being in some sort of limbo/preservation state after his death and before being reborn as Darth Krayt (much like Palpatine spirit was after being killed).
- Krayt being consumed by his armor may be a metaphor to represent Anakin being consumed by Darth Krayt.
- This quote from Jan Duursema : ” “For me, who Krayt is may not be as important as why Krayt is.”
Anakin being Krayt would fit very well in the context of this quote as everyone would pretty much want to know WTF happened to him .Hence the emphasis on “Why” and not “Who”
- Krayt obsession with staying alive may be a sort of contrast to Anakin’s past.Light side Anakin was ready to sacrifice his life for the galaxy and to protect the ones he loved but Dark side Anakin (Krayt) is the complete opposite and would do anything to stay alive and/or become immortal.Some sort of Ying Yang thing if you prefer
- A few other theories on what i think may have happened :
1) Mik i like your idea of AS being Krayt not because he went mad but because he thinks that it’s the right thing to do .In this context i think that it would be fair to assume that he may have faked his own death on Myrkr by using a clone of himself for the mission.His reasonning may have been that the NJO/New Republic were too weak and compassionate to protect the galaxy and that it would only lead to more bloodshed and chaos if they stayed in charge (because after all The Empire and The Vong took over the galaxy in a short spawn of time).So he decided to fake his own death so that he could assume a new identity (Krayt) and take a more aggressive stance.Then he could have exiled himself on Korriban to study the ways of the Sith , to build his new order and to wait for the proper moment to act.
This is VERY far fetched though i don’t really believe in it myself
2) Another theory is that Darth Jacen (or whatever his sith name is going to be) may have tried to resurrect Anakin on Korriban using the dark side so that he could use him as an apprentice or something like that.He was successful in his attempt but the reborn Anakin was not like the original as his spirit was corrupted by the strong dark side energies present on Korriban .This may have been Jacen plan all along but it backfired when the reborn Anakin (now Darth Krayt) killed him and took his place as the leader of the new Sith order.Then he abolished the rule of two and began to build his new order while studying the Sith.This would explain why Krayt was on Korriban
Not very plausible either but i’m just writing it for the fun of it
did ganner have blue eyes? very good call on that one.
anyone think lady maladi is allana?when she failed in legacy 1 krayt derided her like a FATHER would his DAUGHTER.just an idea.she looks like leia painted red.also i think that krayt will end up being a good guy……….eventually.
any ideas on if cade will become the sith ruler while krayt becomes leader of the few jedi left?
is jacens amulet a real dark side tool or was it a scam to test ben?when jacen first touched it he felt dark energies.
The Cons :
- Krayt’s tattoos : I cannot really fit this anywhere in in the AS is DK theory.The only thing i can think of is that maybe Anakin/Krayt decided to get some cool sith tattoos while on Korriban but……….lol
- Lucas Licensing/GL wanting AS gone : Well this is quite a strong argument.However they may have allowed an AS return in the context that he’s not really AS anymore but now DK.
- It would be too much like Anakin Skywalker/Vader : AS being DK would effectively be very similar.Lucas Licensing/DH may not want to rehash a similar storyline with ASO.
Other possible candidates other than AS for Krayt :
- A’Sharad Hett : This is the most likely candidate imho.His facial tattoos are similar to Krayt , his mouth is similar to Krayt , he knew the jedis of old , he’s from tattooine , has links to Krayt dragons, had the chance to end the Skywalker line twice and he survived the great Jedi purge.He could also very well have been in stasis for a while on Korriban because otherwise he would be 177 years old in 130 ABY (Legacy era).He matches all the criteria except for the blue eye but it can be easily explained with some plot twist.
Others :
- Tholme
- Kir Kanos
- Ken Palpatine
- Daye Azur-Jamin
Alright if it has to be a clone why not Luuk? It was never really clarified what happened to him. He just kind of vanished and he was as Darkside as they come.
Luuke Skywalker was decapated by Mara Jade in The Last Command (Im pretty sure it was decapation) either way he died.
The amulet we don’t know for sure if it actually has powers but I doubt it because someone would of used it much earlier or maybe it is a possesion of Lumiya. As for the slayers being clones of fallen Jedi, they are most likely heavily vong formed clones of Anakin at some certain age and not Jacen because he is taller than them. The theory of Ganner being Krayt is good but remember he sacrificed himself on purpose so Jacen and Vererge could escape. He even reflects on what he is doing by saying his whole life was all about him sacrificing himself and becoming a legend to both the GA/NJO and the Vong
Columbo the quote from Jan is really interesting. When I first read it I started to think that it is really saying that we are going to be surpised about DK’s identity because it is definately going to be a familiar character and the reasons he is doing it or going to be really surprising. I also agree very much with your first theory on Krayt being Anakin. When I first guessed DK was Anakin my first theory was very similiar to urs. The difference is I think Anakin experienced something close to what Revan expierenced. He may have had a force vision right before his “death” that showed him the True Sith having failed with encouraging the Mandolarians in attacking the Republic and Jedi and also how a redeemed Reven set them back thousands of years but didn’t quit destroy them. Then the True Sith made contact with the Vong must likely through Onimi and they sort of made him control Shimmira and caused him to do everything. This would mean that the Tru Sith were the ones behind the Vong war and that Anakin saw them winning meaning that they would invade decades after the Vong War(The True Sith saw the galaxy winning against the Vong but the Vong War’s effects being the worst and most hororific of any previous war) unless Anakin became DK and made the galaxy strong.
I doubt it but I would not be surprised at all. Nobody knows for sure about what has happened to the True Sith, Revan, or the Jedi Exile. Also if anyone has read Tempest Lumiya reveals to Aleema that their are more Sith and a plan set into motion that will go on even if Lumiya dies. I am almost certain that these are the Legacy Era Sith and Lumiya and DK are trying have Jacen assume the mantle he was met to take. I mean think about it. That meeting Lumiya said she had with Vererge could of taken place above Mrykk on that world ship and Anakin could of easily been the third member of that meeting. Anakin and Lumiya could of gone off to Korriban to study and since Korriban was untouched by the Vong during the war they would not have to worry about anyone bothering them. Anakin could of assumed the mantle of DK in 30 ABY and started training apprentices all along hoping his brother would become the public face of the order.
Idk for sure about any of this but it seems to fit into the story pretty well so who knows for sure about what is going to happen. Personally I really like hearing Lumiya explain the truth of the sith and how they really are. The whole selfless attitude is what we need to have world leaders/military leaders have in real life.
anakin solo would be great i was pissed when they killed him. hers why its him ……..from my point of view
1.salvatore never said he was dead.he wrote “by then anakin was gone”
2.jaina said the body didnt feel like anakin.
3.his body didnt disapear. niether did quigon but anakin had become one with the force like noone before him.jacen came close while fighting omini but thats it.
4.anakin never got that kiss from tahiri.
5.i want anakin solo to return and so do alot of you.
anyone know about tvshows when are they coming out?
go with me here. krayt is a vong accident. while making the slayers
(one would assume aboard the ship at myrkyr)some of anakins blood is mixed with vonuun crab. this would explain the why he is is such a big deal compared with who.now if you are thinking maybe all you have to do is read the part of unifying force wherer the slayers are introduced to the elite.obviously between the slayers height,the mention of anakins lightsaber being sanctified already(read it)and the way shimra talks about his jedaii the vong have a reverence for anakin.
by the way in that chapter shimra says that the saber was taken from the jedi who killed vong in great numbers. he doesnt say the dead jedi..might be ganner
First let me address the issue that Krayt has one blue eye.. its not just blue. It is cybernetic. Look closer at the retina pattern (which they make a point of showing) at the end of issue #1 during his face shot. Its not organic. That both rules out DK being an actual VONG (as they would have had an organic replacement) and counters the theory that he had to be somebody with blue eyes (the retina if rull of right angles and artificial symmetry, check it out).
As for Anakin Solo… much as I would like DK to be a Skylwalker of some sort, it wont be him. Why? Anakin’s death came from on high. Lucas didn’t want to have to deal with the idea that there were two Anakins. If they had named him Bail or something he probably wouldn’t have died. But as it is, he is dead for continuity and political reasons and so I STRONGLY doubt we will ever see him again (though I do think that bringing him back would be something Jacen the Sith might try when he needs a good apprentice, for the behind the scenes reasons I say it wont happen).
As for Clones.. as a a writer my only complaint with that as a background is that it is too easy. It makes Krayt less of an individual with a story to tell and more of a creation of somebody else, which diminishes him. Much as he would be UBER if somebody crossed the DNA of Anakin and Sidious and Luke and then modified it to make the person stronger and longer lived.. its just a cheesey origin for the arch-villain of a series.
Krayt was a person who made the choice to become Sith for a reason. He has one cybernetic eye and one eye that is normal for a Sith. He has Vong armor and has had something done to him that is taking over his body (the armor itself?). He has gone into stasis at least once to prolong his long and was arguably a fully aware adult at the time of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, and from his comments likely during the war against the Empire as well.
Given his familiarity with the Jedi (he speaks like he has insider knowledge), and the Yuuzhan Vong, and the Empire.. I say Daye Azure-Jamin.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Daye_Azur-Jamin
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Krayt
clones were a major villain in the movie saga so a clone wouldnt diminish the archvillain it would add to lucass idea .
star wars =clones
If DK is a clone then I would say he is the clone Boba Fett is looking for in Bloodlines. This clone fought at Geonosis and has a prolonged life span. He is over 100. I think his precise age is 140 but I am not sure. I like the idea about DK being an accident but something does not seem completely right about that. Tahria has a split personality with a Vong and is still a jedi. If Anakin had some sort of Vong thing in him then he would be like Tahiria. He would want to be like Tahiria because he loves her. He would not want to fall to the dark side unless his reasons were similiar to Jacen’s which I doubt.
DK couldn’t be Jacen since DK was creating the New Sith Order on Korriban in 30 ABY and that was the year that the YV War ended hence DK couldn’t be Jacen unless…Jacen learns to travel physically through time and learns to live for a very long time.
Hence I believe that DK is someone who we know of and is either presumed dead or someone we forgot about, or ir could be that DK is someone totally new that we have never encountered before.
First, the 30 ABY thing was an approximate time, not an exact date. Could basically indicate Jacen’s generation.
Second, Clones have NEVER been a major villain in StarWars. They have been tools, and occasionally a somewhat interesting supporting character. Never a villain. No more so than a droid.
aaahhh come on. Thrawn’s clone was a villain (and a great one too).
tell the people whos planets were overrun by imperials that clones werent a major villain and someone named boba fett was in the opinion of many to be a major villain.
i am darth krayt and my old name was…….obi wan kenobi i had enuff of the jedi they made me live in a goshdarn desert for 18 years. damn that green bastard
just kidding i will reveal my true name the day sacrifice comes out.
heres a hint my name was mentioned by darth who.
The son of the second Bounty Hunter who died in 6th movie.
K ur theory is pretty good. Jacen can flow walk what if he flow walked to 30 ABY. I dont know though it doesnt feel right DK being Jacen plus Jacen is a person who wants a democracy government. He likes the GA he just wants it to be a stronger government.
Thrawn’s clone? Thrawn’s clone never even woke up in his tank. Luke and Mara watched him die before he ever ‘hatched’.
I am not saying that clones were not adversaries, but they definitely were not villains. A) They didn’t have evil intent, B) They didn’t provide the motive for the schemes that they were carrying out. They were no more a villain than their blaster rifles were.
As for Boba Fett, interesting point. But again, he almost never did anything on his own volition, he worked for others and had little or no personal feelings about the jobs he did. He could be perceived by his targets as a villain, but he didn’t see them as enemies, and he could be argued to have been a hero as often as a villain. Grey character in general.
Good point. We could argue the same about DK and Jacen Solo. Both are selfless in what they do and think only of making a peaceful galaxy. It is just the ways in which they choose to do it. In Exile Jacen makes a comment to a smuggler when the smuggler says Jacen wants to put them out of business or something like that. Jacen responds that he only wants them to become legitate and not do wrong.
True as for the questionable morality. The difference being that unlike clones, they are in charge. They give orders and set policies that oppress and harm. The are the head of the monster as it were, rather than one of the fangs or claws. Villain denotes a certain amount of evil.. and it is hard to call a tooth or a hand, evil. A mind though… a heart… a will. That can be evil.
ok jacen is not selfless anymore. he was in the beginning but somewhere along the line he worried about allana and she is the reason hes doing this.he was seduced to the darkside. it started with the killiks and now its the whole galaxy that he needs to fix.sounds alot like his grandpa doesnt he. mark my words jacen is not selfless hes become selfish and powerhungry. go ahead and try to debate that without going before the dark nest books and i will prove you wrong.
too bad for jacen, now the SWORD OF THE JEDI will have to cut him down.
Anakin Solo=Dead KIA
Ganner Rysode=Dead KIA (went out like a hero)
It can’t have been them. DNA tends to deteriorate quickly in dead bodies; Anakin was recovered by Jaina and Ganner pulled a roof down on top of himself. Besides, they both died at the hands of the Yuzzahn Vong who don’t clone people (they consider it a weakness). Their deaths were both felt in the force.
Krayt can’t be Revan, Revan’s mission from the very beginning was to unify the galaxy; to this end he ignored important military targets.
Krayt never showed such distiction. Here’s a wild guess: He’s Syfo-dias!
Clones weren’t villians. Thrawn’s clone never woke up. It stayed in its tank until the tank exploded.
Clones aren’t villians.
They might turn into villians like C’booth, in this sense they are just like every other being in the galaxy.
Maybe Krayt was one of Palpatines failed experiments.
Syfo-dias !! yeah!!
That would make alot of sense. He could prevent death and we never ever hear squat about him.
The rule of two clearly didn’t work out well for him - so it would make sense he’d want to toast it.
sifo dias couldnt prevent death.also dooku took his head.
what are you smoking radstrike. i suggest you reread a few books and get your head out of the sand
D-D-D ANAKIN ISNT DEAD AND IF HE WAS HE WENT OUT LIKE A HERO..GANNER WAS A PUNK.
VONG DO CLONE THINGS OTHERWISE THERED BE NO VOXXYN.
I think rad is right about the vong considering cloning a weakness, but only if they clone humanoid species everything else is alright. A lot of the things the Vong use themselves are clonees. Also Jacen is not like his grandfather. He is doing things much more differently. I think the only reason he is not looking to make Tenal Ka or Allana his sacrifice is because the Del Rey people don’t want a little child getting killed off by her own dad. I do however thing that Tenal will die and that Allana might be killed by someone else. Perhaps Lumiya because she wants Jacen to sacrifice what he truely loves and it doesn’t seem he really loves his parents.
jacen or darth acheron as i call him is doing everything to give allana a life that is peaceful and where noone will hurt her.
that sounds like a young vader to me trying to protect padme from dying. also when jacen sees the unchecked killik war destroying the galaxy he first thinks of his daughter and her mother. thatas pretty damn selfish not selfless
where does it say cloning is a weakness?the vong clone almost everything .
also i think you should consider this: jaina went dark and came back. no such luck for jacen.hes a dead man be it by lukes blade or jainas he is a gonner.
may darth acherons reign be as violent as it is short.
wow darth who is close to the truth. i have observed this site hoping someone would get it and who has.
now for a spoiler.jacen solo will kill 3 members of the skywalker /solo clan.
i promise you while many of you will hate us 3 writers for whats to come it was done to move the story away from that group. in the next few years you will see things previously unheard of in star wars.
its time people you have been punked.sidious arent i?
I agree with you guys that Jacen is definitely a goner but I actually think he may be killed by Ben… or Han…
I met they think cloning is a weakness when they clone humanoid species everything else is ok. I was also hoping for once we would see a sith who actually makes things better. What if the 3 ppl Jacen kills in his family are Tenal, Allana, and Mara. Luke vs. Jacen and then Jacen dies. Or instead of Mara it could be Han or Leia. Then its Jacen vs. Jaina. Doubt it but who knows.
Will Jacen kill one of his family members in Sacrifice? I am guessing so because of the title.
showmescifi.. you are confusing sifo dyas with plagueis. Very different.
Darth Acheron? Damn I hope that they don’t pick that name… Jacen would never name himself that. He would have to be too honest with himself to do that and he is still telling himself that he is doing this for the good of the galaxy, to bring peace etc. Which is why I think it will be Darth Pax (of the names given in the Darth Who contest), much as it doesnt sound that great, the meaning is the one that Jacen is most likely to give to himself.
I agree. Its either Pax or the one that means he who protects in the ancient sith language.
Process: right you are i was thinking of Darth Plagueis.
malik carr said vong live to be about 250 years old. maybe nas choka will be in legacy.
also i wonder if zenoma sekot will play a part in sacrifice or the other later novels.
this just a thought and i hope im wrong but maybe at the end of the legacy of the force series just before he dies jacen goes back in time and tells a younger jacen not to go to the darkside..
Damn.. that would be.. well I usually hate it when people use this word in this way… but that would be so gay!
Ya it would suk if they did the whole going back in time thing for star wars. I think it is bad enough Jacen flow walks back in time. That would be pretty cool if the Vong assisted the Galactic Alliance Core Forces or the Jedi in Legacy.
i hope someone can tell me what the purpose of the wave of force energy unleashed when lord nyax broke down the wall under the jedi temple.
maybe it was a long dead sith lord who escaped and became krayt?
I think it was just a Force nexus of neither light or dark side energies. The Jedi just decided to build their temple there. When Nyax died his dark side powers or spirit or whatever tainted it making a dark side nexus.
the answer is obivious. It can’t be jacen they already have picked a winner for the darth who contest with the top 5 names were Darth paxis, darth taral, darth acheron, darth ceadus and darth judicar which stands for justice. It’s obiviously not going to be Ben Skywalker since krayt himself admitted the sith order was being rebuilt during the end of the yuuzhan Vong war in witch ben would be about 4 years old. Jacen mark my words will either be redeemed or killed by Anakin Solo. Luke is going to be killed that’s a given. Luke has alreadey saved the galaxy so many times it’s time he go out in a bang. and let Anakin deal with jacen. i highly doubt it’s a solo decndent hoewever sicne the writers say the solo family will not play a crucial part in the series
In a way they already kind of are playing a crucial role… You can’t tell Me that Marasiah Fel doesn’t GREATLY resemble Leia Organa Solo… Most likely Jaina Marries Jag and they found the Fel Imperial Dynasty… Now the question of what happens to Tenel Ka and Allana and Jacen is a greater one…
you do have a point their. I”ll admit marrasiah does look a hell of a lot like leia. and that their prsense might be a decendet of jaina solo herslf. but we must put an encount on this. Their are alot of force sensitive children being born to non force sensitve parents in the star wars galaxy. to answer your question on jacen, my opion is that he ends up doing the same thing to tenal ka that his grandfather the legendary anakin skywalker did to his wifey padme. Let the power of the dark side cloud his judgement and motives thus turning his back on Tenal ka and thus being the second tragedy to the skywalker family. I have feeling that unlike his grandfather jacen won’t be redeemed this time. I have feeling that anakin Solo (his younger brother) will return. and kill jacen if not single handley will fight jacen with the aid/help of ben Skywalker. i think anakin will take care of Allana since both her parents are dead and then marry tahiri veila and fufill the propehcy that was given to them before his death.
lady maladi also resemble leia alot. paint young leia red and thats malady.
in legacy 1 krayt berates her for failing as a father would a child.
is she allana?
help me out people,lets figure this out shall we.
well i guess i’ll try to figure it out. ok let’s remmeber this the legacy comic takes palce about 120 or 110 years after lgecay of the force. first of all thier is no way she could be allana. due to the desrpitons of what allna lookes like in tempset it’s pretty much a given that that’s not her. Let’s make this clear Krayt is not Jacen solo people, he created this order at the end of the yuuzhan Vong war in 30 ABY. This is when jacen is still a jedi knight and a decade before he even becomces a sith. right now i’m looking a pictues of both leia and lady maldai. they look completely diffrent. Even if you added the paint and the tatoo to leia to me they still look nothing alike. besides i have a feeling that allana tru identiy will be discovered by the jedi in the book series anywai in legacy,
yoda was 900 small species live shorter lives as a rule. the force kept him going.
luke was way more pwerful than yoda and seeing as how yoda taught him i bet yoda secretly passed on how to live much longer than normal beings.
the solos are probably just as stong as yoda. luke and now leai will go down as the most powerful.
ben may be stronger than luke. who knows.
any jedi can live for a long time but this family may be immortal as far as age goes. only lucas could answer that and if anyone goes to c4 please find a way to bring that up.
krayt will eventually go to see the ghost of yoda on dagobah. i bet its anakin. the fully alive anakin solo reborn. not a clone but jacens doing. jacen shall surpass palpatine and bring anakin into being not a clone folks.the real deal.
krayt is a sith and if he says he bagan his empire in 30aby, then he might really be saying someone else started it and he killed them and took over.
so you think that krayt is the reborn anakin solo if i’m not mistaken. well i personally disagree. the authors of the legacy of the force series have admitted that a ” well known character from the early books of the new jedi order will making a shocking return. keep in mind that the eigth book of the series is revaltions. so it’s preety much a gurentee that anakin will return into the mix and finish off jacen. if you think about it who else would be a match for jacen with luke dead. In a way jacen has already been passed palpatine in power i think by traitor he did if not the unifying force. the skywalkers have the more potential than yoda evr did since their the direct decednets of anakin skywalker. so potential wise their equals. howevr i agree with you on how krayt might have killed some one in order to be in control of the empire. oh yeah lucas himself stated from a source i got that yoda did not teach luke how to live longer. The onle beings so far that we have seen as force ghost are Ben, Anakin , Yoda and qui gunn who taught yoda and obi wan the secrets. the only thingyoda taught luke was the nessary skills and guidance needed to be powerful enough and mentally strong enough to defend himself against vader and the emperor. oh yeah let’s not forget Luke was not mind blowingly stronger than yoda he was not even stronger than Vader. You can tell that Vader did not really want to fight his son showing the conflict in him. Man luke was not even stronger than emperor who was weaker than Vader. doubt krayt would visit yoda unless he converts to be a jedi with i doubt
If you learn from birth surrounded by tutors you’re going to be way ahead in the skills……compared to if you learn for a few months from one teacher starting at around aged 20…….then having to piece together the rest as you find it…….that is, assuming you have time to sit and study day after day……instead of constantly having to save the universe.
This principle means that Luke should NOT be as powerful as he is. Jacen and Jaina…..yes, I can buy some of that, they grew up with more tutors….Ben even more so. Since the Jedi Order has been reborn, the lifelong teaching can make strong Jedi once more…..but after the Jedi Order fell to Sidious, there was a gap in the knowledge, and potential of the Jedi living in that time frame.
Result…..Luke can not possibly be in the same league as Yoda, nor most of the experienced Masters of the Old Republic.
Think of the analogy…..if you’re parents speak two languages at home…..from birth, you’re exposed to that, and through family and family friends you start speaking both languages without realizing it. It is natural…..you can switch between them at will.
If you only speak one language growing up, and try to learn a second one as an adult…..how hard is it?….now imagine that you have to piece together that second language from fragments as you’re learning it……next imagine that you hardly get a day to yourself, because you’re the “go-to-guy” to solve almost all the problems. How log does it take you to be fluent in that second language?
I get your point. That was the reason why Luke was so indesive early in the new jedi order series, heck that was the way luke was acting during the dark nest series. i wnat to ask you something when your comparing pure power are you saying the jedi of old are stonrger or your saying that physically the new jedi are the stronger of the two. but that in mental strgenth and knowledge the old jedi were much storger in that expact. i also wanted to ask you do you think that anakin would hold his own agisnt the current jacen Solo and luke if he did not supposedly had died.
Physical strength is about conditioning. Anyone who has a healthy lifestyle, with a balanced diet and plenty of exercise can get physically strong. The difference between the Jedi of the Republic and the New Republic is in the knowledge of (and the ability to use) the Force.
Yoda has close to 900 years of experience and training, all set in in environment where there are 1,000’s of Jedi to help share the knowledge. Where Jedi were respected everywhere….
Luke on the other hand had to learn pretty much on his own, find and teach others what he knew…..all through the prism of “if I fail, I may create another dark Jedi”. Could you teach a language you were introduced to late in life (in learning terms) as you were piecing it together and learning it? Luke is merely a baton carrier for the Jedi arts……a link point from the Old to New Republic.
Power means nothing….unless it’s focused. That focusing comes from being trained early enough, and given a way of approaching things. Luke may have had more raw power than his dad……but it means little, since he started training at an age where his dad was already well trained.
Anakin was involved in the Clone Wars, seen in Episode II at the same age as Luke held his first lightsaber in Obi-Wan’s home. Anakin had 10 or so years at the Jedi Temple being tutored every day, with a mentor shadowing his every move…..tuning his outlook. Most Jedi of Anakins time started training much earlier and would be already well on their way to becoming Jedi at the age Anakin arrived at the Temple.
Even the later reborn Jedi Order from the NJO wouldn’t be as strong. Sidious managed to wipe a LOT of Jedi knowledge, both living and archived from the universe. He made all Jedi fugitives, in a galaxy wide police state……which includes anyone found to be sympathetic to them or keeping their knowledge.
These are arts which really need a tutor passing knowledge to a student, they do not suit book learning…….the more time passes, the less potential teachers live…and the status means that it’s VERY difficult to find students to teach……which means that a lot of the knowledge the old Jedi had…..is lost. Gradually it will return, as it’s discovered, but that will take a LONG time.
luke found a jedi ship with alot of instructions.luke also foun holocrons and even found stuff on ossus. he has alot of knowlege.
luke trained himself by communing with the force. he had the best teacher to start and then spent at least 30 years learning while teaching.
sidious told yoda that vader would become more powerful than either of them. seeing as how luke has only a fake hand he is more powerful than anyone. lucas said luke is anakin at full power. that means luke surpasses yoda who surpasses everyone else. bottom line the skywalker family is the reawakening of the full power of the force.
anakin solo was to be the pinnacle of jedi training but lucas said one anakin only. otherwise he would have become the new leader of the order and also become the most powerful ever. that torch has been passed to ben. jacen is teaching him some but luke has stepped up to train him because hes sloppy. ben will be a better swordsman than luke and able to do anything with the force. he will kill jacen and he will bring anakin back to life to train him to do it.
i think that anakin is still alive. let’s think about anakin had surpposely died in a cloning factory and also anakin’s body was at the wrong place when he went to distarct the Vong. Anakin will return in the leghacy of the force and with the help of Ben skywalker will destory jacen
There is now way Allana is lady maladi. Maladi is a Devorrian. The female Devorrians look significantly different than the males do. Also in Traitor were not sure if what Jacen saw was really Anakin’s force ghost. Personally I believe he was halucinating. I think in the end of LFL we will see Jaina and Jag get married and Zekk dying or falling to the dark side and being killed as well. Anakin will reveal that he has been alive the whole time and have second thoughts about starting his sith order. (Yes I believe Lumiya, Vererge and Anakin planned this out thoroughly and wanted Jacen to join to hopefully be the public face of the order and get people used to the idea of good sith, if that makes sense) Lumiya will get furious and after Anakin and Jacen duel and Jacen is dying Lumiya will kill Tahiria because Anakin will not go through with bringing the order about. Anakin will then kill Lumiya and decide to go along with it because he is heart broken over what happened. Luke and most likely Jacen’s parents will be dead by the end of the series. Nobody will no Anakin returned and if they do they will think he died or disappeared again. Years will pass and Anakin will be ready to take the galaxy.
i agree with you that anakin will return but i’m sort of conflicted about him being a main reason how the sith order was being rebuilt. let’s face facts During Anakin’s 17 years including the NJO books anakin had a strong potent fear of the dark side. He did not want to make the same mistake that had ruin such a good man (accoding to sources) his grandfather anakin skywalker and turned him to vader. i think this shows that he is the most unlikey of the solo children to turn to the dark side. Personally i think he will fight for the good and kill Jacen. I think Mara or Ben will kill lumiya. Hell i wouldn’t be surprised if jaina did it. Besides like i siad on previous post Luke’s legacy of greatness is done. He has done evry possible heroic thing to save the galaxy that so many people can’t count. it’s about time he either passes to torch to his son Ben or the returnig anakin. It is a absoultae given Luke will not make through the series alive. problay be a force ghost to guide Ben and anakin
What about the Solo’s not being in Legacy? If Anakin returns as himself in LFL and not a sith lord then he is most likely going to stay and marry Tahari. They will have a family and there will be Solo offspring. In Legacy there is no mention of the Solos (at least for the moment). If the authors did intend for Anakin to return to his normal self then he would have kids and his decedents would play a big role in Legacy. But then again he could also be killed after he returns by Jacen or Lumiya. I doubt it because we do know there is going to be some major characters dying and I doubt that a character they just brought back would die.
I also was thinking about DK’s vong armor and how it is going to consume him entually. Well what if DK was like Taharia and half Vong half Jedi. The experiment could of been caried out by renegade shapers who covered it up. DK or whoever he was before then could of escaped but not before some really freaky things were done to him. The experiment would of been different than Taharia’s because he did not recieve a split personality. Instead he would of had some crazy implants or something. I dont know why he would then want to go and unite the galaxy and do the whole sith thing but I doubt it is because he is crazy. He does not seem like somebody who is corrupted by the dark side. He seems like he is doing it for certain reasons just like Darth Revan did.
in one of the comics krayt has a vision of his armor taking him over.i think he turns into a voxxyn.thats a good reason to think hes a clone of anakin.hes not the main sith of the legacy series. someone really evil is gonna pop up and take out alot of sith. the rule of two plus krayt if hes not good by then.by good i mean fighting the sith with drazen the one armed jedi. theres gonna be a bond there.
you guys think lost is a good show? i do. people just cant follow it because its not all wrapped up nice and tight. like the star wars books it takes a while to figure stuff out.
Ya I watch it. Do you know that the makers of Lost met discussing Star Wars. It’s like one of their favorite things. Sewyer was awesome on this week’s episode. I have never seen him more serouis or angry before, it was pretty sweet.
By the way does anyone know what happend in Legacy issue 11. Its the first in the two part Ghosts of Ossus. I’m almost positive there are Vong in it.
What is up with everybody thinking that Anakin Solo will return? Sounds like lazy wishful thinking to me.. may as well say that Yoda will show back up again just because we would all like to see it. The boy died because George Lucas proclaimed it.. doesnt get more permanent than that in Star Wars. Also, there were witnesses, his own siblings among them, who not only saw but FELT him die. His mother and uncle felt him die from LIGHTYEARS away. Not just disappear or vanish… but DIE.
Also he wasn’t in a cloning facility so much as he was in a gene-splicing facility.. one which was DESTROYED.
Anakin Solo is DEAD. He chose to sacrifice himself to save his friends and family and accomplish his mission. If he were to have secretly survived it would diminish his heroism, and also he would have been in hiding for 15 years now! Its not as if the Vong would have been holding him captive this whole time, as they have been at peace and have essentially been converted for about ten years now.
So not only would Anakin living diminish his character, it would mortally wound the credibility of the entire story line to do such a cheesey and lazy not to mention contradictory bit of plot.
It would be on par with bringing in some fan fiction about kryptonians in StarWars (of course Superman as a Jedi would be unbeatable and the best of all time yada yada… but could you get more ridiculous???).
i wanna see brainiac or lex as sith.
Okay the process Chances are that you’re right about Anakin. Given that we can surmise several things.
1)Krayt is Highly unlikely to be Jacen Mainly due to the contest about the new Siths name… granted it could all be a ruse
2)George Lucas doesn’t give a CRAP about the expanded universe (Despite the fact that it tends to be far and away better than the Prequels) and so most likely wasn’t the one to okay Anakins death.
3)Krayt is not from the Skywalker Family so that rules out Ben as a candidate.
Given that who do you think Krayt is?
Hmmm.. well, for starters let me say that I HOPE that DARTH WHO contest is a ruse, and that Krayt IS Jacen. That’s a hope though, not a bet, as I personally doubt it.
I want to ask though why you think Krayt isn’t a Skywalker?
As for who I think he is, my theory is still Daye Azure-Jamin. The Jedi Knight of Luke’s generation who fought the Empire and then fought the Yuuzhan Vong, he was captured by a force strong Yuuzhan Vong who seems to have been trained in SITH ways. He was turned to the dark side by this being, but then supposedly was returned to the light by Mara Jade and Kyle Katarn. Supposedly. Plus the guy has a cybernetic left eye, just like Krayt. So given the age, the eye, and the bacground with both Jedi, Empire, Sith, and Vong, I’m thinking that he is our guy.
As for Lucas not giving a crap about the expanded universe, I agree with you to the point that he doesn’t contribute, UNLESS he feels that the expanded U is getting in the way of his movies or projects, which was the case with Anakin Solo. People would type in ANAKIN and wouldnt necessarily get his golden boy, Anakin Skywalker. He just couldn’t have that, so Anakin Solo had to go because he was causing character confusion. Especially since he was essentially the chosen one for his generation.
hey i was wondering do you know that girl in the legacy of the force exile that ben was talking to ? i think her name was seha dorvald do you think that she is the grandmother of kol skywalker. just wondering ?
Mainly I think it couldn’t be any Skywalker because at one point Krayt is pondering about how he considered wiping out the Skywalker clan but didn’t So if he IS a Skywalker then he has REALLY Detached himself from said clan then again he is a Sith and Sith aren’t supposed to have attachments either (Despite the propaganda). I have never heard of this Daye Azure-Jamin before… Which series is he in and why hasn’t he shown up in the Legacy of the force series?
Daye is in the Dark Forces Saga. I think that girl is just a simple jedi and she had no idea what the message said, but what if she is connected to Lumiya somehow and is like an apprentic in the Legacy Era Sith. Just a thought but that would be pretty cool. Does anyone have any speculations at what happens in the Ghosts of Ossus saga in the Legacy comic series?
sith embrace attachment for more power
Yeah but somehow Sith always end up alone.
They only sacrifice what they truely love. Jacen has to sacrifice someone he truely loves if he wants to become a true Sith master.
I wonder how Jacen’s Gonna React when Lumiya first tells him the The Sith Code. The first line is that Peace is a Lie… So then what he’s doing is ultimately Self-defeating anyway…
Im sure he already knows that. My interepetation of that line is it means that a Sith can only achieve his/her goals without using peace and that they must always make themselves superior to others.
Yes but Jacen is only exacerbating the situation through his actions… he isn’t helping the peace process.
krayt is anakin solo…………………………….nuff said.
when are we going to find out the truth
Legacy Issue # 15
do u think we will see vong in the Legacy series ?
it ain’t anakin. first of all anakin was pure hearted. he hated the dark side. i would find it hard to believe that it would be anakin of all the skywlker members to join the dark side.
We never thought Jacen would turn to the dark side either…
No way in hell is it Anakin.. gonna enjoy watching ya eat your words when it is confirmed in a couple of weeks here.
Wow you have issues…
someones in love with their own ideas arent they
daye azur jamin or whatever his name is is an unknown.its gonna be someone everyone knows. unless the writers were playing six degrees of anonymity when they came up with krayt.
LONG LIVE ANAKIN SOLO
I posted on this thread a while back and I tend to be a reader rather than a poster, but I have to reiterate my point again.
First of all, Anakin Solo is deader than a kipper on a cracker. And he will stay that way. There is no reason Lucas would allow him to be brought back into the storyline and become a Sith. It would totally defeat the purpose of why Lucas insisted that he be killed off in the first place. Because he did not want him to confused with Anakin Skywalker. If Anakin Solo was to be “resurrected” in the mythos and then became Darth Krayt he would become even more like his grandfather which is something Lucas would not want.
I still feel that Krayt will turn out to be Ben Skywalker. Although, I am not as sure about as I once was. By reading what some of the other posters have said, some doubt has crept into my mind. But I am sticking to my guns. For one very big reason, it makes the most sense. If you think about it, you can almost anticipate the story before it is even written. Luke and Ben have a very strained relationship as it is and it would make sense if Ben was pushed to the edge because of the death of his mentor Jacen at the hands of *insert name here*. Jacen’s killer could be any number of people: Luke, Mara, Jaina, heck it could even be Leia. Ben will be named Jacen’s Sith Apprentice at some point. Why would he not take up the mantle of Sith Lord, retreat to Korriban and begin to build this New Sith Order that Lumiya has eluded to?
Another reason is that so far none of the others mentioned here have been mentioned or appeared in the LotF books (Anakin has but he is not a character in the series). These two series are linked and it would make sense that one or more of the characters carried over to the comics, in one form or another.
I do agree, however, that Krayt is not the real threat in the Legacycomics series. He will either die or turn back to the light eventually.
The only other possibilites that I can see for the idenity of Krayt are Azur-Jamin and A’Sharad Hett. However, both of these characters are pretty obscure EU characters and do not have a strong enough “presence” in the mythos to suddenly appear out of nowhere as the leader of the New Sith Order. They have also not been mentioned or seen in the LotF Books yet. The identity of Krayt is being hyped a decent amount. And if one of these two characters are revealed to be him, many will be left wondering the big deal was…
How about Ferus Olin from the last of the jedi. At the monent no ones knows his future. Or want about Quanalin Vos (name is not spelt correct) we do not know hs future either